About to hit the 5000 post mark on the old thread, the first season 7 trailer today seems like the right time to start the final Game of Thones thread.
I'm going back to the original rules pre-2015. I don't think we need supervision or bannings. Just don't be a dick. Post anything you find online that hasn't aired yet inside of spoiler tags. That's pretty much it. I think we can all handle that...
I Fucking loved the episode. Some of these complaints in here are just :-):-) get over yourselves. Bitching about too much/too little fire from a Dragon? My god dudes it's getting out of hand.
First, fuck King's Landing. I loved seeing it burn to the ground. Fuck Varys, fuck Jon Snow, Fuck 'em all.
Jon Snow told his sisters when he shouldn't have. Sansa betrayed her and never liked her to begin with. Arya doesn't like her. Varys betrayed her and tried to poison her. Tyrion betrayed her and gave her nothing but bad advice that ended up damn near costing her everything. The families of Westeros murdered her family and sent her into exile and stole her home, and they sent someone to try and poison her FFS!
All anyone ever did was betray Danny. Bad advice or straight up betrayal. And what did she ever do to any of them? only save them from the fucking Undead, that's all. Instead she got completely shit on by all of them. They all deserve to fucking burn and rot in hell.
None of them, ever, could ever be trusted. She gave them a chance and they failed. They proved their incompetence, proved that they cannot ever be trusted and proved that their advice sucks shit.
The only way she could ever rule was to cleanse the city. Cleanse it and start fresh with HER people. The Dothraki, Unsullied and the slaves she freed.
Burn it! MWAHAHAHA Burn it all down! Destroy those fucks! I was so happy to see King's Landing burn. I found it gratifying. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BucEyedPea:
A book will always lay out a better path or can because it's a different medium than a visual medium. For one it can show inner thinking of a character. There are limitations with film in more ways than this one.
Agreed. Especially when you're sprinting to wrap up a hugely complicated story like this in two seasons. Once the books come out, we'll be glad they saved a lot of the setup and politicking for the books. We will also see that it will take at least 5 more seasons to wrap the show up the way grrm would've wanted it. The showrunners made a conscious decision to create showstopping big events and to sprint to an end, and even if that compromised some of the story's integrity, those things also outweigh the bad in many ways. [Reply]
Loved the action sequences. I enjoyed watching the Dragon fucking ripping down the walls with his fire-breath nukes. Excellent CGI there. I loved all the graphic imagery, people getting their head split etc. :-) @ you adult males complaing about action sequences. You serious right now?
How about Gray Worm going fucking savage? AWESOME! They beheaded his only love, ever. You're goddamn right he should be going savage and putting a spear up every one of their asses.
And Fuck Jon Snow for being such a pussy. I just wish Gray Worm woulda put a spear up his ass after seeing him betray Danny YET AGAIN. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Man - episode 3 really soured some folks.
And to be fair, I hated episode 3 as well - hated it more and more as I thought on it. But episode 1 was fine. Episodes 2 and 4 I thought were quite good and this episode was the best of the season so far, IMO.
The Dany thing has been a long-time coming. And yeah, maybe that's more 'book insight' bleeding into show viewing, but Dany has always been an entitled, impulsive, violent trainwreck and a wholly unfit leader. I've said this for literally years - she's a spoiled tween with an air force when nobody else has one. She's narrow-minded and overly emotional. Her losing her shit and burning a bunch of stuff to the ground is easy to call and surely nobody would've argued with it had she torched the massed Lannister army and then burned down the red keep.
The only real curious event here is that she torched everything. But there are several historical analogues for it. And frankly, for all the shit B&W have (justifiably) taken for making character motivations non-existent, they did give you some insight here when they mentioned the contrast between Kings Landing and Mereen. When she was upset that they didn't rise up in support of her, she clearly put 'torch 'em all' on the table. The historical example that springs immediately to mind for me is the Armenian Genocide. The Ottomans decided that the Armenians didn't do enough to defend the region from the Christian invaders and if they weren't going to rise up against the enemy, then clearly they're no better than the enemy. The Turks then went on to effectively wholesale slaughter people who were ostensibly part of their own empire.
In the end I'm not sure Dany actively hoped to slaughter innocents - I think she simply didn't care much if she did, especially as she saw them as quasi-enemies anyway.
Apart from that, the Jaime/Tyrion meeting was fantastic. Euron v. Jaime was unnecessary but entertaining. Cleganebowl was everything we could've hoped it to be.
And in the end I think so much of this show has been demonstrating how little the rank and file care or benefit from these power struggles. They'll take peace under a bad ruler over a war to install a good ruler every time. Because in the end, the definition of a 'good' ruler is pretty damn fluid. I mean heck, in the recent history of Westoros it appears Robert Baratheon was actually pretty damn good at it by simply staying out of the way. And from a commoners perspective, Dany and her army is simply a foreign invasion. Which again makes what happened more 'to type'. Dany has no ties to King's Landing - she never knew the place. The Unsullied just see it as someplace else to conquer and the Dothraki just do what they do. Even the northmen are historically antagonistic towards anything south of the Riverlands (if they'll even tolerate that far).
I just don't understand the rage here. The soldiers acted as damn near every invading force in the history of warfare has acted (look at what the Germans did in Leningrad and the staggering barbarism from the Russians in Berlin that came about as a result). Most of the characters acted as you'd expect them to - even Jaime the Cersei Junkie.
This all comes down to just how much of Kings Landing Dany would've reasonably set ablaze. And I think the writers, over the course of several seasons and in her final conversation with Tyrion specifically, gave ample indication that she may just snap. When the Bells were ringing, it wasn't the bells that set her off. It was sitting there having wrecked creation but lost every person close to her on account of Cersei simply not capitulating when it was clearly the smart decision the first time they met, and thinking "wait...NOW you surrender? Get fucked with that shit!" It was petulant, frustrated rage from a person who'd demonstrated a pretty decent track record of being petulant and wrathful.
I just don't see the problem here. I thought the episode was very good :-)
You're goddamn right the episode was very good. Have you seen the complaints in this thread? A lot of them are fucking ridiculous. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Agreed. Especially when you're sprinting to wrap up a hugely complicated story like this in two seasons. Once the books come out, we'll be glad they saved a lot of the setup and politicking for the books. We will also see that it will take at least 5 more seasons to wrap the show up the way grrm would've wanted it. The showrunners made a conscious decision to create showstopping big events and to sprint to an end, and even if that compromised some of the story's integrity, those things also outweigh the bad in many ways.
Again, I think needing 5 more seasons is a bit much. Two more or possibly 3, would be enough for me. If anything some previous season situations could have gone faster. I got bored with Ayra's time in the House of Black in White in Braavos as one example. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Alternate script (stolen from reddit):
Completely wipe out the scene from the last episode where Euron takes down Rhaegal.
In the assault on King's Landing, Jon and Dany take everyone out, making the rout even more believable.
While the bells ring to signal surrender, a scorpion they had missed takes Rhaegal out. Much more believable that they could hit a stationary target.
Dany flips out.
When people are complaining about the writing, it's little things like that that could have gone a HUGE distance toward making it better.
Yeah, it's stuff like this that makes me think this could have been wrapped up in a satisfactory way in 75 hours. I understand the thought D&D had, but it just felt like Season 7 and Season 8 were ultimately rough drafts to an incredible idea still in the broad strokes of development.
In a vacuum - last night's episode impacted me more than an episode of thrones has since The Red Wedding and I have to acknowledge D&D for that. Not many shows can do that. Even Breaking Bad pulled its punches when giving deaths to the main characters, opting not to kill Skyler despite planning to do it on multiple occasions. [Reply]
In a vacuum - last night's episode impacted me more than an episode of thrones has since The Red Wedding and I have to acknowledge D&D for that. Not many shows can do that.
Originally Posted by Jerm:
The biggest problem with the Dany turn for me was that they totally contradicted themselves in the episode itself.
She talks about "fear it is" or whatever....SHE HAD IT. The citizens of King's Landing were scurrying and scared shitless at the sight of Drogon.
The Lannister Army, who has fought no matter the circumstances, laid down their weapons because they were scared hearing the dragon and seeing the opposition. (We won't bring up the fact that they fought against the same army and dragon in Season 7, another contradiction but eh I'll let it go).
Dany had won...there was ZERO reason to go batshit insane and raze KL and kill all the innocents...totally goes against the character they had been building with her. But eh that's their MO for this season so I'm not shocked.
I read somewhere else last night that it was the fictional equivalent of Hiroshima being nuked and then the Allied powers being like nahhhh do it again...
Zero reason to burn them? PFFFFF
HA!
She had EVERY reason to destroy that city. [Reply]
