Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Why would you feel hopeless? We've had 100's of pandemics in human history and we're all still here. The individual impacts can be very severe (still feeling bad for O.City) but as a race, we're going to survive well beyond this.
My feelings of hopelessness are economic in nature [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Basically handled this on point. I don't see anyway here this could have went much better. It sucks but sucking it up and dealing with it as you saynis the only option.
We're gonna end up with maybe half a million dead from this in a year here in the US. I think it could have been handled alot better than it was.
Going on as normal isn't dealing with it, it's playing roulette. But life isn't also all about disease control and mitigating risks. So in the end, here we are. [Reply]
People die of the flu every year because alot of people refuse to get the flu shot. The flu shot efficacy is what it is because the influenza virus mutates from year to year. Most of us have some immunity to Influenza because it's been here for so long and we've all been exposed.
But, it's a free country so do whatever you want.
Atleast be informed of said decisions though and dont' spout whatever. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, at some point we'll have a vaccine, we'll have natural immunity and we'll get back to normal.
Lotta people will die along the way, but that's life I suppose.
It sounds harsh but it's the truth.
I mean, even here we have people that think you should be branded for not wearing a mask but when an NFL player gets busted for DUI, it's "no big deal" and vice versa. As if people dying senselessly is okay for some but not for others, depending on your political beliefs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It sounds harsh but it's the truth.
I mean, even here we have people that think you should be branded for not wearing a mask but when an NFL player gets busted for DUI, it's "no big deal" and vice versa. As if people dying senselessly is okay for some but not for others, depending on your political beliefs.
Don't disagree. Wasn't trying to, it's kinda the harsh truth no one wanted to talk about with this from the beginning.
People debate the stats or the numbers or whatever to make themselves feel better or less at risk or whatever.
In the end, it's life and biology and science. Do with that what you will I suppose. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I haven't been in the thread for a while - did you suffer an unrecoverable loss or something?
If so, I'm terribly sorry. I have many friends in the same boat. I'm doing the best I can to keep them hopeful as well.
Human beings are malleable. We always bounce back. Keep your chin up, bro.
No, I haven't, but I've held out hope that if people wore masks, distanced, and followed the protocols set forth that we'd reach a stage of opening up sooner. At least here, that appears to be in jeopardy as we're looking at rolling back despite having followed all of those recommendations. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
We're gonna end up with maybe half a million dead from this in a year here in the US. I think it could have been handled alot better than it was.
Going on as normal isn't dealing with it, it's playing roulette. But life isn't also all about disease control and mitigating risks. So in the end, here we are.
In hindsight, yes. Hopefully as a country and worldwide we are more prepared if/when it happens again after this experience. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCUnited:
No, I haven't, but I've held out hope that if people wore masks, distanced, and followed the protocols set forth that we'd reach a stage of opening up sooner. At least here, that appears to be in jeopardy as we're looking at rolling back despite having followed all of those recommendations.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
In hindsight, yes. Hopefully as a country and worldwide we are more prepared if/when it happens again after this experience.
We knew what to do we just didn't do it. Didn't think it would happen here I guess.
But yeah, hopefully the next one goes better. There will be a next one, probably sooner than later. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I have not read through any of this yet but it seems to be fairly in depth to say the least. I am not advocating not wearing masks where required, etc. Just posting for discussion. Some of you more medical types can break this down I am sure.
An Evidence Based Scientific Analysis of Why Masks are Ineffective, Unnecessary, and Harmful
JFC pete. That guy is a known anti-vaxxer nut. He's an eye doctor, for fucks sake. Check your sources before tumbling blindly into confirmation bias...
