I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.
Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.
-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.
-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.
-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.
-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.
-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:
1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K
And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.
Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
I didn't defend Herm. But I do like how the team would look personnel wise with how he would have drafted than what we have currently. I like the 4-3. I don't like the 3-4 with our current personal.
I like Gailey's old offense and if given the option, I would rather focus on improving the defense with a pass rusher and some linebackers and improving the offensive line rather doing what Pioli and Haley did.
Even with Herm's poor coaching, I bet the 2009 Herm and Carl Chiefs would be better and closer to the playoffs than the Pioli and Haley Chiefs.
You can't win the superbowl if you aren't in the playoffs.
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
I didn't defend Herm. But I do like how the team would look personnel wise with how he would have drafted than what we have currently. I like the 4-3. I don't like the 3-4 with our current personal.
I like Gailey's old offense and if given the option, I would rather focus on improving the defense with a pass rusher and some linebackers and improving the offensive line rather doing what Pioli and Haley did.
Even with Herm's poor coaching, I bet the 2009 Herm and Carl Chiefs would be better and closer to the playoffs than the Pioli and Haley Chiefs.
You can't win the superbowl if you aren't in the playoffs.
With Carl and Herman fucking Edwards running things, if you think you see a team that's close to a SB, then it's an illusion.
You can't get to a SB if you're too fucking stupid to mange a clock, and if you are too fucking stupid to find a real coach, but rather go out and spend a 4th round pick on a failed coach. [Reply]
Originally Posted by milkman:
With Carl and Herman fucking Edwards running things, if you think you see a team that's close to a SB, then it's an illusion.
You can't get to a SB if you're too fucking stupid to mange a clock, and if you are too fucking stupid to find a real coach, but rather go out and spend a 4th round pick on a failed coach.
Yes but only Herm is capable of spending two time outs on one play. [Reply]
All points for Herm are null and void, because I can't seem to remember any player actually getting better while he was coaching them here. That really isn't the recipe for making improvements from year to year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
I'm tired of all the blame going to Herm. Yes, Herm had his share of blunders but the amount of hate that he gets is ridiculous. The biggest mistake that Herm made was underestimating the impact of Jared Allen. And I did too at the time. In 2007, the Chiefs almost had a top 10 defense despite their terrible offense. We know what happened in 2008. But we are quick to forget the defense of 2007. I'm not saying the Herm was a great coach, but he is not as bad as some here believe.
Just to irritate you, lets take a look at what might have been if Herm had stuck around.
-First the acquisition of Cassell never happens. Herm sticks with Thigpen and Gailey runs the system that worked well in the latter half of the season.
-The switch to the 3-4 never happens and the Chiefs continue to run a 4-3 defense.
-Most likely, no notable free agents are picked up.
-Tony Gonzalez remains with the Chiefs.
-The draft rolls around and Herm takes the safe route as usual and picks the following players:
1. Aaron Curry
2. Everette Brown (Herm likes this pick bc of the desperate need for a pass rusher to replace Jared Allen who was lost in 07 and the success of another small DE Dwight Freeney with the Colts where his role model Tony Dungy coached.)
3. Antione Caldwell (Mal Moore leadership award winner is drafted here) Herm kinda player. And can play all line positions but primarily C or G.
4. Louis Murphy (Herm picks a wide out for the needed depth and Murphy provide some speed.)
5. Jasper Brinkley (Tough middle linebacker probably starts.)
6. Andrew Gardner (RT tackle pushes or replaces McIntosh)
7. Captain Munnerlyn (CB and returner)
7. Ricky Jean-Francois (depth at DT)
7. Ryan Succop K
And to top it off. After speaking with Tony Dungy about Michael Vick, who has been mentoring Vick, Herm trusts Dungy and decides to give Vick a shot at backing up Tyler Thigpen.
Would all of this happened... probably not, but it is interesting to think about what might have been if Herm and Carl would have stayed. Again, I don't think Herm is great and I definitely don't think Carl was good, but I do wonder what might have happened. I do like the draft above much better than our current one, and I do like that we still would have Tony G.
You can't win the superbowl if you aren't in the playoffs.
Dude do you remember Herm's only appearance in the playoffs as KC's coach?It was a focking embarrassment,especially coming off the win against the Jags where he pulled out every stop and then said as much so in his postgame presser.
He almost won me over with that and then he focking goes and embarrasses the hell out of the frachise the very next week...in the PLAYOFFS. [Reply]
