Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
This is dishonest Lew, I have not seen anyone advocate for doing "nothing", let alone "half the people".
What do you think it implies when multiple posters run in here breathlessly repeating "ZOMG only 6% actually died of covid!"? It's the flimsiest, most nonsense talking point imaginable. Yet stuff like that makes an appearance itt every time it comes out.
Some of you want it both ways - you want to be able to downplay it and sneer at the official numbers as some big plot, but then retreat to "well I didn't say do nothing". Others just claim hoax from the beginning.
The only reason it's not half the posters itt is because they got kicked out of the thread en masse for politarding. Go look at the threads in DC if you you want to see half the people implying, if not outright saying, that covid is basically a big hoax. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
What do you think it implies when multiple posters run in here breathlessly repeating "ZOMG only 6% actually died of covid!"? It's the flimsiest, most nonsense talking point imaginable. Yet stuff like that makes an appearance itt every time it comes out.
Some of you want it both ways - you want to be able to downplay it and sneer at the official numbers as some big plot, but then retreat to "well I didn't say do nothing". Others just claim hoax from the beginning.
The only reason it's not half the posters itt is because they got kicked out of the thread en masse for politarding. Go look at the threads in DC if you you want to see half the people implying, if not outright saying, that covid is basically a big hoax.
As a conservative Christian I’m embarrassed by how many people who share common values with me have downplayed this virus. They missed the memo about selflessness and doing for others. I’m an Athletic Director at a high school and we had to cancel several volleyball games because they refused to mask their fans. Only Christian schools so far. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
What do you think it implies when multiple posters run in here breathlessly repeating "ZOMG only 6% actually died of covid!"? It's the flimsiest, most nonsense talking point imaginable. Yet stuff like that makes an appearance itt every time it comes out.
Some of you want it both ways - you want to be able to downplay it and sneer at the official numbers as some big plot, but then retreat to "well I didn't say do nothing". Others just claim hoax from the beginning.
The only reason it's not half the posters itt is because they got kicked out of the thread en masse for politarding. Go look at the threads in DC if you you want to see half the people implying, if not outright saying, that covid is basically a big hoax.
Nobody is advocating for doing "nothing". Period. You can address the actual comment or you can make up your own narrative I guess.
You aren't being honest in your statements anymore than Lew was.
Bringing in opinions from people back in Feb and March is extremely disingenuous to the current conversation and you know it.
The focus should be on vulnerable people that need to be protected. That's not doing "nothing".
And you guys that keep acting like this is all settled science from how we have approached mitigation whether right or wrong are not being truthful either. Its a shit ton of opinion and it constantly changes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Redbled:
As a conservative Christian I’m embarrassed by how many people who share common values with me have downplayed this virus. They missed the memo about selflessness and doing for others. I’m an Athletic Director at a high school and we had to cancel several volleyball games because they refused to mask their fans. Only Christian schools so far.
9 Though I am free and belong to no one, I have made myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20 To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21 To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God’s law but am under Christ’s law), so as to win those not having the law. 22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all people so that by all possible means I might save some. 23 I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Nobody is advocating for doing "nothing". Period. You can address the actual comment or you can make up your own narrative I guess.
You aren't being honest in your statements anymore than Lew was.
Bringing in opinions from people back in Feb and March is extremely disingenuous to the current conversation and you know it.
The focus should be on vulnerable people that need to be protected. That's not doing "nothing".
And you guys that keep acting like this is all settled science from how we have approached mitigation whether right or wrong are not being truthful either. Its a shit ton of opinion and it constantly changes.
The 6% thing making the rounds was just a couple of weeks ago. It showed up in this thread multiple times. We had to waste energy debunking something that should have been obvious to a reasonably intelligent 3rd-grader: if you have lived with diabetes for decades, and then die of covid, you did not die from diabetes. You died from covid.
Please point me to the posts where you spent time debunking this nonsense, as many of us did, and I'll take your claims more seriously that you're just seeking the truth.
I've spent plenty of energy itt debunking wild claims both the covid hoax side and the covid catastrophe side (IE -78% have permanent heart damage) - as have O.City, TLO, Lewdog, Hamas, donger and a bunch more I'm forgetting. We literally just want to figure this thing out. [Reply]