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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Donger 01:56 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
You went through all this trouble to prove me correct, and dont even realize it.
But I do. For some reason, you ignored suzzer's statement:

Also on a per capita basis their "big spikes" are usually still like 10x less than our best days since May.

Please note best days. For whatever reason, you picked our recent worst days. That's isn't what he claimed.

Yes, if you look at our worst recent day of 75,000 cases, that's about 228 case per million pop.

Again, that isn't what he used for his claim.
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Pants 02:00 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
But I do. For some reason, you ignored suzzer's statement:

Also on a per capita basis their "big spikes" are usually still like 10x less than our best days since May.

Please note best days. For whatever reason, you picked our recent worst days. That's isn't what he claimed.

Yes, if you look at our worst recent day of 75,000 cases, that's about 228 case per million pop.

Again, that isn't what he used for his claim.
I think your math shows that our spikes are actually better than theirs. The fewer the cases, the "better" the spikes. They are having more cases per capita than us.
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Marcellus 02:01 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
I think your math shows that our spikes are actually better than theirs. The fewer the cases, the "better" the spikes. They are having more cases per capita than us on our worst days.

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Perineum Ripper 02:01 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Only people with an AGENDA would ever claim such a thing.



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Donger 02:03 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
I think your math shows that our spikes are actually better than theirs. The fewer the cases, the "better" the spikes. They are having more cases per capita than us.
I'm not sure why suzzer chose to compare our best to their worst, really. But if you look at our worst (75,000/day) compared to France's, we are worse from a per capita basis. (228/million pop to 166)
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Donger 02:05 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
But that's not accurate. Unless you think 228/million pop is less than 166.
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Donger 02:18 PM 09-15-2020
From an overall perspective:

USA = 20,441 cases/million pop
France = 6,050 cases/million pop
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petegz28 02:24 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by mac459:
So I got a call a few minutes ago, telling me I’m positive. Only problem is, I haven’t been tested since the last time, which was over a month ago. Told the lady that, she said you had a test done Friday. Nope, then she decided to argue with me when I last had a test.


Supposed to get a call back from someone else there, to figure out what the **** is going on.
Unpossible.....
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Pants 02:37 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I'm not sure why suzzer chose to compare our best to their worst, really. But if you look at our worst (75,000/day) compared to France's, we are worse from a per capita basis. (228/million pop to 166)
I think suzzer's point was that Europe's worst was still better than our best. You showed that to be completely untrue.

Comparing Europe's worst to our best was supposed to make his point stronger.

It sounds like, currently, things are much worse in Europe on a per capita basis, while, overall, they have still done a much better job at mitigating the total damage up to this point.
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Donger 02:52 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
I think suzzer's point was that Europe's worst was still better than our best. You showed that to be completely untrue.

Comparing Europe's worst to our best was supposed to make his point stronger.

It sounds like, currently, things are much worse in Europe on a per capita basis, while, overall, they have still done a much better job at mitigating the total damage up to this point.
Yes, and that's why I said this:

I'm not sure why suzzer chose to compare our best to their worst, really.


If we look our present data (~35,000 cases/day), we are at 106 cases/million pop

France is at 166 cases/million pop.

But, if you compare our worst to their worst, we far exceed them. And, yes, overall it's really not even remotely close.
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Pants 03:08 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes, and that's why I said this:

I'm not sure why suzzer chose to compare our best to their worst, really.

I think because if our best was still worse then their worst, it would mean that our worst was that much worse than their worst.

In reality, our best is nowhere near 10 times worse than their worst. As you showed, it's actually better. So suzzer's claim was just completely inaccurate.

Even if he sad our best is worse than their worst without the x10 qualifier, he would still be wrong.
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Donger 03:12 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Pants:
I think because if our best was still worse then their worst, it would mean that our worst was that much worse than their worst.

In reality, our best is nowhere near 10 times worse than their worst. As you showed, it's actually better. So suzzer's claim was just completely inaccurate.

Even if he sad our best is worse than their worst without the x10 qualifier, he would still be wrong.
Yes, he was wrong, yes. But so is this:

They are having more cases per capita than us on our worst days.

Anyway, I just realized that we are still not down to where we were in mid-April. That just plain sucks...
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O.city 03:13 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes, he was wrong, yes. But so is this:

They are having more cases per capita than us on our worst days.

Anyway, I just realized that we are still not down to where we were in mid-April. That just plain sucks...
In terms of cases? Or deaths?
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Pants 03:14 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes, he was wrong, yes. But so is this:

They are having more cases per capita than us on our worst days.

Anyway, I just realized that we are still not down to where we were in mid-April. That just plain sucks...
Correct. That is also inaccurate.

I don't know which fallacy is worse.
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Donger 03:14 PM 09-15-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
In terms of cases? Or deaths?
We're discussing cases.
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