Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
I've had my trading account flagged as a PDT and I'm needing to meet margin requirement in order to do any additional trades.
So today has been fun.
Pattern Day Trader? Is that what you mean by PDT?
Last year I had enough margin calls. I got whipsawed on a bunch of hedge positions, because I thought I knew what I was doing. Ended up fine because I still had the physical, but motherfucker, approving those ACHs are ass. I've had enough (As I sit here with a bunch of hedges through contracts on LOL).
Side story that probably only I think is funny, but I talked to an old guy I bought this sprayer from. Got a call from my broker. On call. Whatever, approve the ACH. He told me he had cattle hedged in the 80s, whatever year the market was limit down for something retarded like 12 days in a row or something fucking horrific. Anyway he told me the secretary for the broker would always call at the same time and had some cringey voice that was like nails on a chalkboard, "STAN, you're on call again today." I'll probably never forget the face he made. I laughed for days about that.
But yeah, that cattle market in the 80s. Those guys were tough sons of bitches. Paying ridiculous interest and daily limit margin calls. :-) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
And they're a major mask maker. They got a contract a couple of weeks ago to make 35 million masks, and you figure more orders are coming.
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Why did you buy airline stock?
several reasons:
1. Up to mid-Feb, each airline was doing just fine relative to where they are now
2. CARES funding into airline industry to keep them afloat
3. No way Govt won't continue to bail airline industry out....what are they going to do, let airlines fail? Then what....it's not like any company can just come out and buy the assets in a fire sale and resume business....
4. Once travel is permitted and fear subsides, people will be eager to get out of the home and take the trips they couldn't now. Business travel will resume as soon as humanly possible, but I believe the discount airlines will do OK too because they'll get the business travel + those itching to get away....
I think the prices today are a by-product of fear, and once we're out of this, then it will recover nicely. It's a long play to be sure, but hey, buy low / sell high right? [Reply]
1. Up to mid-Feb, each airline was doing just fine relative to where they are now
2. CARES funding into airline industry to keep them afloat
3. No way Govt won't continue to bail airline industry out....what are they going to do, let airlines fail? Then what....it's not like any company can just come out and buy the assets in a fire sale and resume business....
4. Once travel is permitted and fear subsides, people will be eager to get out of the home and take the trips they couldn't now. Business travel will resume as soon as humanly possible, but I believe the discount airlines will do OK too because they'll get the business travel + those itching to get away....
I think the prices today are a by-product of fear, and once we're out of this, then it will recover nicely. It's a long play to be sure, but hey, buy low / sell high right?
P.S. It's not like I put my entire life savings into it....just made some speculative buys that plays on risk / reward......but I'm curious as to others thoughts on this [Reply]
Originally Posted by mililo4cpa:
P.S. It's not like I put my entire life savings into it....just made some speculative buys that plays on risk / reward......but I'm curious as to others thoughts on this
It is your money but buying airline stock is accepting an outsized amount of risk without a corresponding increase in reward.
It took years for airlines to rebound from 9/11. Then people were afraid of being collateral damage in a highly improbable terrorist attack. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mililo4cpa:
P.S. It's not like I put my entire life savings into it....just made some speculative buys that plays on risk / reward......but I'm curious as to others thoughts on this
It may take some time (or not) but IMO airlines and oil are good buys today.
you'll double your money before long.
Warren Buffet, buy when others are fearful. Right! [Reply]
Here's a question that should be obvious, but I can't seem to find it. What companies comprise the NASDAQ 100? I've been watching for several years now, and they've always outperformed the S&P 500 and Dow. I figured they'd underperform in a bear market, but nope. They're down far less than the S&P and Dow. I want to upweight those stocks, but I can't seem to locate a full list of NASDAQ 100 stocks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Rain Man:
Here's a question that should be obvious, but I can't seem to find it. What companies comprise the NASDAQ 100? I've been watching for several years now, and they've always outperformed the S&P 500 and Dow. I figured they'd underperform in a bear market, but nope. They're down far less than the S&P and Dow. I want to upweight those stocks, but I can't seem to locate a full list of NASDAQ 100 stocks.
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
It is your money but buying airline stock is accepting an outsized amount of risk without a corresponding increase in reward.
It took years for airlines to rebound from 9/11. Then people were afraid of being collateral damage in a highly improbable terrorist attack.
These are good points for sure, and no disagreement from my end. But I see these situations as apples v. oranges
I think the human emotion involved in 9/11 was just as big as factor as the real liability related to it. You rightly point out that people didn't want to fly back then. That, to me, is what drove a lag in recovery.
In this case, I don't any raw fear of flying....once things are copasetic, I expect everything to return to normal. People are clamoring to get out, and once it's announced it's OK to travel, people will do so. The fear factor is minute in this situation (this is all my opinion, right or wrong)
In the meantime, there are 8 billion reasons (right now) as to why I don't think airlines will go under, and with the prices where they are at, why not make a speculative buy if you can afford to do so? [Reply]
