Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Justin Houston in KC:
1 AFCCG, 0 Super Bowls
Frank Clark in KC:
2 AFCCG, 2 Super Bowls
That's disingenuous don't you think? You don't think the chiefs would have won any Superbowls if they had Mahomes 2013 to 2017 (yes I know he was on the team 2017, but he wasn't starting)?
He also would have went to and I bet won the Superbowl if Dee Ford didn't line up offsides in 2018. [Reply]
Btw, before Staylor comes in here pumped full of Mountain Dew energy, me talking up Houston has nothing to do with Clark right now. Clark played great in the AFCCG. [Reply]
PFF can suck balls. Every move Veach made is completely justified because we won the SB. Thats all that matters. Clark was huge in the plYoffs and Houston is not, end of story. [Reply]
Originally Posted by -King-:
That's disingenuous don't you think? You don't think the chiefs would have won any Superbowls if they had Mahomes 2013 to 2017 (yes I know he was on the team 2017, but he wasn't starting)?
He also would have went to and I bet won the Superbowl if Dee Ford didn't line up offsides in 2018.
It's no more disingenuous than any of the other arguments.
At least it's based on actual results and not some knee jerk emotional reaction like that tweet. [Reply]
I don't have any hate for Houston. In fact, I'm pretty sure in the weeks before the Clark trade was announced, I advocated for possibly keeping him.
But his performance in the playoffs historically wasn't great. You could even say that he was largely invisible for the most part. How much of that was him, and how much of that was Sutton's scheme/inability to make in-game adjustments, or even to use Houston better than he did are all matters that could be up for debate. But the bottom line is Houston wasn't a playoff game performer during his time with KC.
Frank Clark has played really big in the playoffs, and seemingly bigger when the lights were brightest and on the biggest stages. Clark is a winner, period. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Red Dawg:
PFF can suck balls. Every move Veach made is completely justified because we won the SB. Thats all that matters. Clark was huge in the plYoffs and Houston is not, end of story.
Without a doubt, can we just kill this fucking narrative?
Who spends this much time trying to find cracks in their own foundation of talent?
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It's no more disingenuous than any of the other arguments.
At least it's based on actual results and not some knee jerk emotional reaction like that tweet.
Using team success to measure the difference the player is disingenuous. Ben Neimann has more AFCCG and superbowl wins than Derrick Johnson. What does that mean?
I think Clark has been better than Houston in the playoffs, but using team wins as a way of proving that is dumb. [Reply]