Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza or COVID-19 (PIC) increased from week 26 – week 29 (June 27 – July 18) for the first time since mid-April. The percentage for week 31 is 7.8% and currently lower than the percentage during week 30 (12.6%); however, the percentage remains above the epidemic threshold. Percentages for recent weeks will likely increase as more death certificates are processed.
False. But I am not going to Donger this thread up any further with your nonsense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
This will be gone sooner than later one way or another and people will continue to die from other diseases at a greater rate. Just like they are now.
Its not even a pandemic at this point.
More people died from covid this year than 3-4 years of gun violence but people still feel the need to carry a gun for protection and the protect their family , yet don’t want to wear a mask to do the same. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
More people died from covid this year than 3-4 years of gun violence but people still feel the need to carry a gun for protection and the protect their family , yet don’t want to wear a mask to do the same.
Thats because not that many people die from gun violence every year. What a ****ing stupid comparison only a Canadian would make. :-)
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Thats because not that many people die from gun violence every year. What a ****ing stupid comparison only a Canadian would make. :-)
Good grief dude.
Why need a gun if there isn’t much of a threat is the point I am trying to make
The threat of dying from covid is much greater I agree , yet why carry a gun and not a mask. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
What percentage of the population died to gun violence this year , you like those stats .
That’s just media based fear mongering if you ask me having to carry a gun seems draconian.
Why do you have to die for it to count? Most of the issue is personal protection from robbery or assault, not fear of death.
When that standard is brought up with Covid then you bring up people getting sick and having permanent damage but live.
Your gun fear mongering is irrelevant to this conversation dude, stop the stupid comparison, its the first sign your argument sucks when you make ridiculous parallels like this. [Reply]
I don't understand those who still think this will just go away on its own. The weather is going to get colder which doesn't bode well for any coronavirus. I pay less attention to cases and deaths. The stress we saw to our hospitals is good reason to at least still stay careful.
This shouldn't be hard. We've learned enough about this thing that we can be mostly normal as long as businesses and systems have protocol and plans. Even those plans have started to relax. Like clockwork those without a plan become super spreaders. We don't need to shut everything down like a doomsdayer but will also can't just blatantly dismiss what's happening either. I just don't get why these things always have to be such black and white issues. [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
I mean this whole panacea idea is kind of silly. We have an influenza vaccine and it’s about 40% effective by the time it is administered because viruses can and do mutate. Sure we will eventually have a vaccine but anybody that thinks that’s the end of it is fooling themselves.
This has been covered literally a hundred times in this thread.
Two totally different viruses. All research points to this thing being susceptible to vaccination. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Why do you have to die for it to count? Most of the issue is personal protection from robbery or assault, not fear of death.
When that standard is brought up with Covid then you bring up people getting sick and having permanent damage but live.
Your gun fear mongering is irrelevant to this conversation dude, stop the stupid comparison, its the first sign your argument sucks when you make ridiculous parallels like this.
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Why do you have to die for it to count? Most of the issue is personal protection from robbery or assault, not fear of death.
When that standard is brought up with Covid then you bring up people getting sick and having permanent damage but live.
Your gun fear mongering is irrelevant to this conversation dude, stop the stupid comparison, its the first sign your argument sucks when you make ridiculous parallels like this.
I don’t think I’m gun fear mongering I’m doing to opposite I have way less chance of dying of gun violence than covid.
I keep saying gun violence is rare and affects a small percentage of the population and some demographics more than others , yet some people still feel concerned enough to take precautions, yet you come in here everyday trying to minimize covid even though it affects a larger amount of the population and ridicule people who feel concerned enough to take precautions.
And yes yes not just deaths should count for both yet you bring up deaths percentage in here pretty often.
I was trying to argue your reasoning for fearing one thing over the other , gun was the only one I could think of I wasn’t trying to argue guns themselves and it shouldn’t have taken me this many posts for you to get the point. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I don’t think I’m gun fear mongering I’m doing to opposite I have way less chance of drying of gun violence than covid.
I keep saying gun violence is rare and affects a small percentage of the population and some demographics more than others , yet some people still feel concerned enough to take precautions, yet you come in here everyday trying to minimize covid even though it affects a larger amount of the population and ridicule people who feel concerned enough to take precautions.
And yes yes not just deaths should count for both yet you bring up deaths percentage in here pretty often.
I was trying to argue your reasoning for fearing one thing over the other , gun was the only one I could think of I wasn’t trying to argue guns themselves and it shouldn’t have taken me this many posts for you to get the point.
