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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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Discuss Thrower 10:43 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
He’s a little cavalier with “t cell immunity” they don’t necessarily confer “immunity” in terms of not catching the virus

They’re more of why there’s such mild and asymptomatic infections imo
Isn't the simpler explanation that truly asymptomatic and mild cases with positive tests are likely a detection of any other beta Coronavirus and not SARSCov2?
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O.city 10:47 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
Isn't the simpler explanation that truly asymptomatic and mild cases with positive tests are likely a detection of any other beta Coronavirus and not SARSCov2?
The way pcr testing works, I don’t think so. It’s pretty specific from my knowledge but I may be way off there

If it were the case the test isn’t worth it as it’s not picking up what you want
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Discuss Thrower 10:57 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
The way pcr testing works, I don’t think so. It’s pretty specific from my knowledge but I may be way off there

If it were the case the test isn’t worth it as it’s not picking up what you want
Don't see how that's an issue. If you test 1000 people with 75 people who are actually infected with SarsCov2 and 100 test come back positive with all of those 75 true SarsCov2 infections accounted for, then there isn't really a negative to identifying the extra 25 false positives is there?

I get Hamas already went over the false negative/positive and test specificity thing much earlier in the thread, but my skepticism is stuck on the "there are six variants of symptoms" thing combined with the rates of actual asymptomatic positive tests with various rates of prevalence among all cases points me to a conclusion that the tests are picking up more than SarsCov2 specifically.
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Chief Roundup 11:17 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There are no easy answers here, but the damage to academic and social progression for kids due to this is going to be felt for decades.
I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.
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Chief Roundup 11:18 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
The way pcr testing works, I don’t think so. It’s pretty specific from my knowledge but I may be way off there

If it were the case the test isn’t worth it as it’s not picking up what you want
Where I work we were all tested today. The tests that they used are QTR/PCR. They said they are the most accurate. :-)
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DaFace 11:34 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.
There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.
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BigCatDaddy 11:45 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.
If somone tries to rebut this with a BUT MUH VIRTUAL..they are an idiot.
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KurtCobain 11:53 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.
This is a really good sum up of how this whole thing is going to affect our youth heading into the future.
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Discuss Thrower 11:55 AM 08-12-2020
Having an entire subset of a generation adapted to limited interpersonal activity and dependent on electronic content definitely serves an agenda.
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DaFace 11:58 AM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
If somone tries to rebut this with a BUT MUH VIRTUAL..they are an idiot.
My issue with virtual learning is that it's HUGELY inequitable in terms of the quality of education kids are actually going to receive. If you have a high academic performer in the first place, they'll probably be fine. If you have a stable family and parents who are able to help, they'll probably be fine.

But kids with parents who either don't care or who aren't otherwise able to help (working multiple jobs or whatever) are pretty much screwed. And in many cases, poorer kids don't even have access to the technology they need at home to participate virtually anyway. (Yes, schools can give out equipment, but my mom works in a district where many kids in rural areas don't have internet at home, period.)
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Great8 12:01 PM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.
Yeah losing 1 1/2 years (minimum) out of 12 won't hurt a thing.
My daughter is starting her Senior year in 2 weeks, virtually.
You think she isn't affected?
Not just by not being in school with her teachers face to face, but what about not getting to hang out with her friends?
How about no after school clubs and athletics?
Senior Prom?
Graduation?
All gone because of complete and utter fear on the parts of those who are supposed to have her best interest at heart.

She is beyond upset about it, and I'm 100% with her.
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Donger 12:04 PM 08-12-2020
I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.
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staylor26 12:05 PM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
I see comments like this and I just don't see how a year or so can cause issues for over a decade.
That’s because you’re a fucking moron.
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O.city 12:11 PM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.
There weren’t going to be large gatherings or sports with fans until there’s a vaccine anyway
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Great8 12:12 PM 08-12-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.
We haven't any kind of issues here with people not following guidelines as far as I can see.
Virginia as a state has been masked up since damn near the beginning of this thing.
All we are doing is kicking the rock down the road and hoping for it to just disappear.
At some point in time, we are going to have to live with this thing instead of hiding from it.
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