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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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DJ's left nut 12:48 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by siberian khatru:
You really know how to make a sale.
Well I suppose I can give you my best effort rather than just being annoyed with everything my franchise does at the moment.

Lynn did go 6 giving up 1 ER today. And when I said that his 1st AB against Duda demonstrated everything he does wrong to lefties, his 2nd AB against Duda demonstrated everything he SHOULD do to get them out.

1st pitch fastball away, 2nd pitch fastball in, 3rd pitch on 0-2 was a fastball that tailed out of the zone (good pitch to waste), 4th pitch was a tunneler inside he fisted foul and the 5th pitch was a slider down to strike him out.

If Lynn could just be average against lefties he'd be a top 20 pitcher in MLB, and I mean that with all sincerity. He'd be a no doubt #2 starter and fringe #1 - he's just that good against righties. And in 2014 (I think that was it), he actually demonstrated a willingness to attack inside against lefties and it was the best year of his career. Then he fell back into bad habits in '15 before getting hurt in '16.

His slider is actually a good pitch, but it's not a great one. It's good enough to put guys away, but not without a setup pitch first. So he has to get ahead in the count so he can attack out of the zone and set up that slider. Then when he has you at 1-2 or 2-2, he can bury the slider and finish off the AB. But it all comes down to his first two pitches. When he makes those pitches and shows a willingness to get inside to lefties, he can get them out well enough to have a damn good outing.

So a change of scenery could get him back to where he was when he would attack lefties. There's #2 starter upside there. I'm just kinda tired of waiting for it to surface.
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penbrook 01:20 PM 07-20-2017
USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that the Royals are closely monitoring Cardinals right-hander Lance Lynn to see if St. Louis makes him available between now and the deadline.
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duncan_idaho 01:24 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
Well I suppose I can give you my best effort rather than just being annoyed with everything my franchise does at the moment.



Lynn did go 6 giving up 1 ER today. And when I said that his 1st AB against Duda demonstrated everything he does wrong to lefties, his 2nd AB against Duda demonstrated everything he SHOULD do to get them out.



1st pitch fastball away, 2nd pitch fastball in, 3rd pitch on 0-2 was a fastball that tailed out of the zone (good pitch to waste), 4th pitch was a tunneler inside he fisted foul and the 5th pitch was a slider down to strike him out.



If Lynn could just be average against lefties he'd be a top 20 pitcher in MLB, and I mean that with all sincerity. He'd be a no doubt #2 starter and fringe #1 - he's just that good against righties. And in 2014 (I think that was it), he actually demonstrated a willingness to attack inside against lefties and it was the best year of his career. Then he fell back into bad habits in '15 before getting hurt in '16.



His slider is actually a good pitch, but it's not a great one. It's good enough to put guys away, but not without a setup pitch first. So he has to get ahead in the count so he can attack out of the zone and set up that slider. Then when he has you at 1-2 or 2-2, he can bury the slider and finish off the AB. But it all comes down to his first two pitches. When he makes those pitches and shows a willingness to get inside to lefties, he can get them out well enough to have a damn good outing.



So a change of scenery could get him back to where he was when he would attack lefties. There's #2 starter upside there. I'm just kinda tired of waiting for it to surface.

Looking at his splits, 2014 was his best year vs lefties except for his year out of the pen, so that makes sense.

It's surprising to hear he sticks to that game plan and won't change it up, considering he has a great catcher behind the plate who is well thought of by most pitchers.

If he won't listen to Yadi Molina, who will he listen to? Or is it more of a pitching coach relationship issue?

Regarding potential return, had another Cards fan ask me about Samir Duenez, who is currently at Northwest Arkansas, as a piece.

Duenez is a first base only guy, but pretty athletic for a 1B. He is 21, first full season at AA. Starting to tap into 50-55 grade raw power he has, still a ways to go but typically is "scouted" higher than his production so far.

Not sure that's a major piece for Lynn, more of a secondary one, but did point me to a potential hole in the Cardinals system. Makes me wonder if Cuthbert or Dozier would be valued by Cards brass.


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Pitt Gorilla 01:30 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Looking at his splits, 2014 was his best year vs lefties except for his year out of the pen, so that makes sense.

It's surprising to hear he sticks to that game plan and won't change it up, considering he has a great catcher behind the plate who is well thought of by most pitchers.

If he won't listen to Yadi Molina, who will he listen to? Or is it more of a pitching coach relationship issue?

Regarding potential return, had another Cards fan ask me about Samir Duenez, who is currently at Northwest Arkansas, as a piece.

Duenez is a first base only guy, but pretty athletic for a 1B. He is 21, first full season at AA. Starting to tap into 50-55 grade raw power he has, still a ways to go but typically is "scouted" higher than his production so far.

Not sure that's a major piece for Lynn, more of a secondary one, but did point me to a potential hole in the Cardinals system. Makes me wonder if Cuthbert or Dozier would be valued by Cards brass.


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Not that I disagree with you at all, but won't Cutty and Dozier be filling (important) spots on the team next season?
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duncan_idaho 01:40 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Not that I disagree with you at all, but won't Cutty and Dozier be filling (important) spots on the team next season?

One of them likely will. Not sure they find a spot for both (unless Dozier is playing RF).


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DJ's left nut 01:43 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Looking at his splits, 2014 was his best year vs lefties except for his year out of the pen, so that makes sense.

It's surprising to hear he sticks to that game plan and won't change it up, considering he has a great catcher behind the plate who is well thought of by most pitchers.

If he won't listen to Yadi Molina, who will he listen to? Or is it more of a pitching coach relationship issue?

Regarding potential return, had another Cards fan ask me about Samir Duenez, who is currently at Northwest Arkansas, as a piece.

Duenez is a first base only guy, but pretty athletic for a 1B. He is 21, first full season at AA. Starting to tap into 50-55 grade raw power he has, still a ways to go but typically is "scouted" higher than his production so far.

Not sure that's a major piece for Lynn, more of a secondary one, but did point me to a potential hole in the Cardinals system. Makes me wonder if Cuthbert or Dozier would be valued by Cards brass.
It's always puzzled me as well. I mean, it may be me making things simpler than they are but I've watched the guy for a damn long time - I know what he's doing when it works and I know what he's doing when it doesn't. I actually noticed the L/R thing in 2013 when people were riding him for being a pussy and saying he couldn't battle through adversity. That's when I was trying to find a common thread (because nobody who pitched like he pitched in the 2011 post-season is a pussy).

And I saw it was simple - he could just never retire that key lefty that would put a zero on the board instead of a crooked number. So many outings from merely good pitchers hang on 2 or 3 ABs and when that AB was a lefthanded hitter, he lost.

Then in '14 he turned a corner and I just knew we had a horse on our hands.

Alas, he didn't really 'turn' anything. Sometimes I worry that, like his manager, he's just dumb and stubborn. Hell, Jason Marquis threw to Matheny and Molina in his Cardinals career and had a HoF manager behind the bench and arguably the best pitching coach of all time. Still didn't keep that goddamn rockhead from insisting that he needed a 4-pitch arsenal to succeed when he had the best sinker in baseball at the time.

So of course, he'd routinely get beat by his 3rd and 4th best pitches.

Some guys are just idiots and never figure it out. Some guys get a wakeup call and things click. There's really no way to know.
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penbrook 01:47 PM 07-20-2017
Major League teams have been informed that the 2017 qualifying offer will be in the range of $18MM, reports ESPN’s Buster Olney
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DeepSouth 02:08 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
One of them likely will. Not sure they find a spot for both (unless Dozier is playing RF).


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If not Cuthbert and Dozier, who plays the corner infield spots next year? Are you thinking Ryan O'Hearn at first?
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duncan_idaho 02:27 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by DeepSouth:
If not Cuthbert and Dozier, who plays the corner infield spots next year? Are you thinking Ryan O'Hearn at first?

One of them will play 3B. 1B can either be filled with an internal option, or Brandon Moss, or a Free Agent.

I wonder what type of cash Logan Morrison is going to command. He'd be a cheaper alternative to Hosmer, even coming offf his breakout.


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mr. tegu 04:16 PM 07-20-2017
I was thinking about how everyone wants us to sign Moose. I would live it as well but even if we can get to the money he wants, are we overlooking whether or not he would be willing to sign here if he thinks the next few years may not have very good playoff chances? I don't really have a feeling either way but it did cross my mind that it could influence him.
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penbrook 04:20 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
I was thinking about how everyone wants us to sign Moose. I would live it as well but even if we can get to the money he wants, are we overlooking whether or not he would be willing to sign here if he thinks the next few years may not have very good playoff chances? I don't really have a feeling either way but it did cross my mind that it could influence him.
Moore has said he feels like he has a real chance to re sign the core free agents because of their familiarity with KC. He says they all love it here
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Prison Bitch 04:24 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
Moore has said he feels like he has a real chance to re sign the core free agents because of their familiarity with KC. He says they all love it here
Lol!


They always say that
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penbrook 05:01 PM 07-20-2017
Twins are engaged in trade talks with Jaime Garcia
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penbrook 05:55 PM 07-20-2017
A proportional response from MIN: About to upgrade their rotation by adding Jaime Garcia for a minor-leaguer, at relatively low cost.
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Al Bundy 05:57 PM 07-20-2017
Originally Posted by penbrook:
A proportional response from MIN: About to upgrade their rotation by adding Jaime Garcia for a minor-leaguer, at relatively low cost.
Good.
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