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New World Order 03:16 PM 04-21-2017
Originally Posted by notorious:
After all this jerking off, you guys will be watching the Chiefs draft defense, and they will pick up a backup off the FA market.


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Bewbies 02:55 PM 04-21-2017
We're drafting a QB. I am holding out hope we actually draft one we intend to use as a starter in the near future.
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notorious 03:01 PM 04-21-2017
Originally Posted by Bewbies:
We're drafting a QB. I am holding out hope we actually draft one we intend to use as a starter in the near future.
A little part of me died when they passed on Carr and he turned out to be good.
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New World Order 04-21-2017, 03:16 PM
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RealSNR 10:14 AM 04-22-2017
Chiefs DL drafted between 1st-3rd rounds, 2001-2009

3. Eric Downing (2001)
1. Ryan Sims (2002)
2. Eddie Freeman (2002)
2. Junior Siavii (2004)
1. Tamba Hali (2006)
2. Turk McBride (2007)
3. Tank Tyler (2007)
1. Glenn Dorsey (2008)
1. Tyson Jackson (2009)
3. Alex Magee (2009)

BUT DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE SPEND 2 HIGH PICKS IN THE SPAN OF 3 DRAFTS ON THE QB POSITION! DON'T YOU DARE!
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notorious 10:26 AM 04-22-2017
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Chiefs DL drafted between 1st-3rd rounds, 2001-2009

3. Eric Downing (2001)
1. Ryan Sims (2002)
2. Eddie Freeman (2002)
2. Junior Siavii (2004)
1. Tamba Hali (2006)
2. Turk McBride (2007)
3. Tank Tyler (2007)
1. Glenn Dorsey (2008)
1. Tyson Jackson (2009)
3. Alex Magee (2009)

BUT DON'T YOU ****ING DARE SPEND 2 HIGH PICKS IN THE SPAN OF 3 DRAFTS ON THE QB POSITION! DON'T YOU DARE!
Bingo.


DL ISN'T RISKY LIKE QUARTERBACK, THOUGH. GOD FOR-FUCKING-BID WE DRAFT A QB BUST.
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stumppy 11:34 AM 04-22-2017
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Chiefs DL drafted between 1st-3rd rounds, 2001-2009

3. Eric Downing (2001)
1. Ryan Sims (2002)
2. Eddie Freeman (2002)
2. Junior Siavii (2004)
1. Tamba Hali (2006)
2. Turk McBride (2007)
3. Tank Tyler (2007)
1. Glenn Dorsey (2008)
1. Tyson Jackson (2009)
3. Alex Magee (2009)

BUT DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE SPEND 2 HIGH PICKS IN THE SPAN OF 3 DRAFTS ON THE QB POSITION! DON'T YOU DARE!
That's about what I've been thinking too.
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RealSNR 10:27 AM 04-22-2017
And Laz, I don't know how many fucking times I have to pound this into your tiny brain.

The Browns suck enormous amounts of wastewater. That kind of franchise ineptitude isn't the result of drafting a few bust QBs every couple of years. That's the kind of ineptitude that's the result of just BAD FUCKING DRAFTING.

Here's a list of all their 1st round picks in the past 8 years. Find for me all of the draft hits they've had.

Corey Coleman
Danny Shelton
Cameron Erving
Justin Gilbert
Johnny Manziel
Barkevious Mingo
Trent Richardson
Brandon Weeden
Phil Taylor
Joe Haden
Alex Mack
Joe Thomas
Brady Quinn
Kameron Wimbley

If the Browns could hit on 1/3 of those 1st rounders (and actually freaking keep them), they wouldn't be this fucking terrible. Your sound strategy of building the team through the draft and getting the QB only when the time is right is only sound if you hit or at least don't bust on the majority of your 1st rounders. And you also have to draft well in the 2nd - 7th rounds, which, again, the Browns can't fucking do.

In that span of bust QBs, the Browns have ALSO traded for a ton of backups, signed a bunch of free agents, and drafted their fair share of lottery ticket 4th-7th round QBs. They have tried ALL strategies of finding a QB.

They just fucking suck. That's reality. They suck at EVERYTHING. They suck at drafting offense, defense. They suck at finding good head coaches, and they tend to fire guys who approach doing well. They suck at free agency. They suck at EVERYTHING.

That's why they suck. Not because they whiffed on a couple first round QBs. Do you REALLY think that if they did the responsible thing and drafted other positions besides QB with those whopping THREE 1st rounders in those 8 years that they'd be a rousing success story? Let's say they draft and HIT on those three picks with non-QB positions. Are you really telling me they'd be in the playoff hunt occasionally and be an otherwise respectable franchise?

Get the FUCK out with this, "HERP YOU WANNA DRAFT PROJECT QBS WHO BUST WELCOME TO CLEVELAND BROWNS TERRITORY CHIEFS FANS DERP"

It's fucking stupid.
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RunKC 10:45 AM 04-22-2017
Terez Paylor just released his 3rd mock and mocked us Tyus Bowser. Love this kids game, but would still like Webb first.

My god if we take a pussy ass shrimp ILB like Zach Cunningham over a QB or edge rusher with the talent there, I think that's grounds for outrage.

Fortunately Dorsey isn't stupid.
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TambaBerry 06:46 PM 04-22-2017
Originally Posted by RunKC:
Terez Paylor just released his 3rd mock and mocked us Tyus Bowser. Love this kids game, but would still like Webb first.

My god if we take a pussy ass shrimp ILB like Zach Cunningham over a QB or edge rusher with the talent there, I think that's grounds for outrage.

Fortunately Dorsey isn't stupid.
Bowser is the guy I want them to pick
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Mr. Laz 01:39 PM 04-23-2017
Originally Posted by TambaBerry:
Bowser is the guy I want them to pick
He plays more like a strong safety than a DE/OLB.


Whichever team selects him will have to send him to Chuck Smith for 6 months.
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TEX 11:09 AM 04-22-2017
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
And Laz, I don't know how many ****ing times I have to pound this into your tiny brain.

The Browns suck enormous amounts of wastewater. That kind of franchise ineptitude isn't the result of drafting a few bust QBs every couple of years. That's the kind of ineptitude that's the result of just BAD ****ING DRAFTING.

Here's a list of all their 1st round picks in the past 8 years. Find for me all of the draft hits they've had.

Corey Coleman
Danny Shelton
Cameron Erving
Justin Gilbert
Johnny Manziel
Barkevious Mingo
Trent Richardson
Brandon Weeden
Phil Taylor
Joe Haden
Alex Mack
Joe Thomas
Brady Quinn
Kameron Wimbley

If the Browns could hit on 1/3 of those 1st rounders (and actually freaking keep them), they wouldn't be this ****ing terrible. Your sound strategy of building the team through the draft and getting the QB only when the time is right is only sound if you hit or at least don't bust on the majority of your 1st rounders. And you also have to draft well in the 2nd - 7th rounds, which, again, the Browns can't ****ing do.

In that span of bust QBs, the Browns have ALSO traded for a ton of backups, signed a bunch of free agents, and drafted their fair share of lottery ticket 4th-7th round QBs. They have tried ALL strategies of finding a QB.

They just ****ing suck. That's reality. They suck at EVERYTHING. They suck at drafting offense, defense. They suck at finding good head coaches, and they tend to fire guys who approach doing well. They suck at free agency. They suck at EVERYTHING.

That's why they suck. Not because they whiffed on a couple first round QBs. Do you REALLY think that if they did the responsible thing and drafted other positions besides QB with those whopping THREE 1st rounders in those 8 years that they'd be a rousing success story? Let's say they draft and HIT on those three picks with non-QB positions. Are you really telling me they'd be in the playoff hunt occasionally and be an otherwise respectable franchise?

Get the **** out with this, "HERP YOU WANNA DRAFT PROJECT QBS WHO BUST WELCOME TO CLEVELAND BROWNS TERRITORY CHIEFS FANS DERP"

It's ****ing stupid.

:-) :-) This is full of awesomeness!
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RealSNR 10:36 AM 04-22-2017
Oh, and this is my last comment.

Another draft strategy the Browns have tried a lot is when they get a top 5 or 10 pick in the 1st round and they need a QB, they trade DOWN and acquire lots of picks. It seems somewhat decent at first. If you have needs everywhere on the team, get some more spins at the wheel and try to find more quality players. It makes sense on paper.

But the Browns have used this strategy MULTIPLE times and whiffed on all of the times they've employed it.

What's interesting is that while they've diversified their QB strategies very well in that span, there is ONE QB draft strategy they seem to like more than the others. They tend to love the idea of trading down for picks, and then using picks to trade back into the first round to take the leftovers of the 1st rounders in a given QB draft class. That's how ALL THREE of their bust 1st round QBs were acquired in the last 8 years.

Guess what they haven't tried much of? Standing your ground when you get a high pick, and just fucking drafting the best QB that comes to you with that selection.

They're the Browns, so I'm not saying that's going to be the solution to all of their problems. But it's something they haven't tried at all since Tim Couch. That's the only instance of them drafting a QB with a top 5 pick.

And the Browns have had PLENTY of top 5 picks since that 1999 draft.

Or, you know, they could also sign shitty free agent QBs and trade for backups like they've been doing for a long time as well. It hasn't been entirely all about the bust QBs.
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kcchiefsus 01:20 PM 04-22-2017
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
Oh, and this is my last comment.

Another draft strategy the Browns have tried a lot is when they get a top 5 or 10 pick in the 1st round and they need a QB, they trade DOWN and acquire lots of picks. It seems somewhat decent at first. If you have needs everywhere on the team, get some more spins at the wheel and try to find more quality players. It makes sense on paper.

But the Browns have used this strategy MULTIPLE times and whiffed on all of the times they've employed it.

What's interesting is that while they've diversified their QB strategies very well in that span, there is ONE QB draft strategy they seem to like more than the others. They tend to love the idea of trading down for picks, and then using picks to trade back into the first round to take the leftovers of the 1st rounders in a given QB draft class. That's how ALL THREE of their bust 1st round QBs were acquired in the last 8 years.

Guess what they haven't tried much of? Standing your ground when you get a high pick, and just fucking drafting the best QB that comes to you with that selection.

They're the Browns, so I'm not saying that's going to be the solution to all of their problems. But it's something they haven't tried at all since Tim Couch. That's the only instance of them drafting a QB with a top 5 pick.

And the Browns have had PLENTY of top 5 picks since that 1999 draft.

Or, you know, they could also sign shitty free agent QBs and trade for backups like they've been doing for a long time as well. It hasn't been entirely all about the bust QBs.
Shitty free agents and trade for backups

That sounds familiar...
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Chief Roundup 10:39 AM 04-22-2017
I remember the SB commentators talking about how many players from the Browns were on the Patriots and Falcons rosters. I don't remember the number but it amazing at how many quality players the Browns did not, would not or could not retain.
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