Alternate Reality Game 1: Chiefs - Page 28

The original post is below in blue, but let's summarize it here based on the past few years.

1. If you're a new player, start with the current Chiefs roster. If you've been playing for a while you'll have your own evolved roster.

2. You can add any free agent that the Chiefs add.

3. You lose any free agent that the Chiefs lose, but only if they were on the Chiefs' roster when you began playing.

4. You can accept or reject any trade the Chiefs make as long as any Chiefs player involved is currently on your roster.

5. You do not get players that the Chiefs draft. You draft your own players, using the same draft picks that the Chiefs have.

6. You can trade down ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade down before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.) If you trade down after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 25 percent. Any trade down must involve only the picks of one NFL team, and you cannot receive more than two picks more than you give up. (In other words, if you trade away one draft pick you cannot pick up more than three in return.) The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft. See the examples at the bottom of the post.

6. You can trade up ONE time before the draft or after the draft. If you trade up before the draft, you get up to full value for your pick according to this chart: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-V...-Rich-Hill.asp. (Note: this chart was updated in 2022.). If you trade up after the draft, the value of the picks you trade must be discounted by at least 15 percent. Any trade up must involve only the picks of one NFL team. The other team's picks also must be picks that they held prior to the opening of the draft.

7. By the beginning of the season, you must reduce your total roster to include only 53 players.

Original post: You can ignore this now.

Spoiler!

Okay, having tested the waters I think we've got enough interest in this. There will be two other games as well that I'll announce soon.

The concept of this game is to, over a series of years, see which Chiefsplanet members are best at building a team. We can have an unlimited number of players, and this game will take very little time on your part - just a little bit of time and some voting.

Here's how the game will work.

Step 1. First, you have to locate your team in a city. It cannot be in a city that has an existing NFL team, so you must pick from the following cities, which are the largest cities that don't have an NFL team, but ensuring that there's at least one city in every state. If we have more than 100 players I'll add to this list. (List deleted for brevity. If you start playing, just pick a city.)

Step 2. Once the NFL draft is complete on April 26, owners will select players who were available with each Chiefs selection (i.e., do their own draft) and add these people to their roster. If the Chiefs make any draft day trades, the player may choose to accept or reject the trade and act accordingly.

Step 3. After training camp, each owner selects 40 (Edited up from 35) Chiefs players who are "their" players who will make up their roster. The remaining 13 positions will be filled by a generic "scrub".

Step 4. At the end of the season, the person will provide an overview of who started at each position over the course of the year, providing the number of starts at each position by each player. Edit: the rules for doing so are discussed in Post 285.

Step 5. At the end of the season, we will have a Survivor-style vote among the general Chiefsplanet population to determine who had the best team that year, including impacts of injuries and other issues.

Step 6. In Year 2 (and beyond), the player starts with his/her core of 40 players, adds new players through the draft, and can then pick another core of players from the following pool: their 40-player core, new drafted players, and any new free agent that joins the Chiefs

If the Chiefs make a trade that includes draft picks, each owner can choose to accept or reject that trade on their own team. If the Chiefs make a trade involving a player on the Chiefs roster, the owner can accept that trade ONLY if his/her own roster includes that player.

There will be no trades between owners, and no implications of the salary cap.

I realize that in the first season we'll have a lot of players with similar rosters, but they'll diverge over time and that's where it'll get interesting.

So...if you're interested in playing, claim your city and name your team.

Teams As Of Post #113:

Alaska (Anchorage) Watchmen (cdcox)
Austin [name to be determined] (Hound333)
Billings Snake Filets (KCChiefsman)
Cheyenne Buckshot Cheneys (banyon)
Des Moines [yet to be named] (Hoover)
Duluth Normans (Rain Man)
El Paso The Courvoisier (DeezNutz)
Fargo Rape (SNR)
Fort Wayne Dancers (Chiefs=Good)
Fresno Refugees (Adam)
Harrisburg Beer Farts (Otter)
Hartford Manticores (Crush)
Honolulu Craters (Sully)
Knoxville Nukes (Patteeu)
Las Vegas Hitmen (Bowser)
Little Rock Reapers (doomy3)
Los Angeles Cobras (chiefscafan)
Madison Beers (Spicy McHaggis)
Memphis Jackals (Ultra Peanut)
Oklahoma City Boom (Sanka)
Omaha Streakers (speak24)
Orlando Beakers (ChiefsCountry)
Reno Sheriff Department (MWagg72)
San Antonio Scorpions (truebigdog)
Scranton Paper Packers (bdeg)
Sioux Falls Slackers (pestilenceaf23)
Spokane [yet to be named] (Mr. Flopnuts)
Springfield (Missouri) Cashew Chickens (H5N1)
Wichita [yet to be named] (jwazzie)
Winston-Salem Warlocks (ArrowheadHawk)
Worcester Sauce (unothadeal)

Added Rules and Reminders:

1. Remember that you can draft undrafted rookies, so you don't have to select only guys who were drafted.

2. Anyone can change their rookie draft selections at any time, UNTIL we reach ten days before training camp. At that point, all picks will be locked in.

3. Each team can do ONE trade of draft picks if they like, using this chart:http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...t-trade-chart/. However, if you're trading up, you have to pay 15 percent more than the stated value of the picks you're obtaining. If you're trading down, your pick's value will be discounted by 25 percent.

For example, if you want to trade up from the 20th pick in the 1st to the 10th pick, you can see from the chart that the 20th pick is worth 259 points. The 10th pick is normally 369 points, but by paying 15 percent more, it will cost you 1.15*369, or 424 points. So you would need to come up with another 165 points to make the deal (424-259)

For example, if you want to trade down from the 20th pick in the 1st and pick up the 10th pick in the 2nd, your 20th pick would normally be worth 259 points, but in this game it will be worth 25 percent less, or 194 points. The 10th pick in the 2nd is worth 142 points, so you can get 52 points back from the other team. (Remember that you cannot pick up more than two extra picks in the trade, so consider your math carefully.)

You can do only ONE draft-pick trade up and ONE draft-pick trade down, and in each case you can only trade with one other team for their own picks. (In other words, you couldn't take the 52 points in the above example from a third team.)
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I think we need to decide whether we're accepting the trades for Edgar Jones and Jonathan Baldwin. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm accepting both.

Here is my 53 man roster:

QB
Alex Smith
Chase Daniel
Tyler Bray

* Out with the trash, in with hope.

RB
Jamaal Charles
Bernard Pierce (Ravens)
Cyrus Gray
Knile Davis (R)

* Davis is my only addition here.

FB
Ryan D'Imperio

* Not happy with my FB situation, obviously.

WR
Dwayne Bowe
Donnie Avery
Dexter McCluster
A. J. Jenkins
Terrance Williams (Cowboys #4) (R)
Josh Boyce (New England #4) (R)

* I parted ways with David Reed after he bounced around from the bottom of one depth chart to the bottom of another for a few years. I'm hoping that Williams or Boyce will fare better. I'm not optimistic about Jenkins, but at least he's not Baldwin.

TE
Anthony Fasano
Julius Thomas (Broncos)
Demetrius Harris

* I like the idea of converting a college basketball player to TE. In the meantime, I have a couple of serviceable to good vets.

OT
Branden Albert
Nate Potter (Cardinals)
Terron Armstead (R)
Oday Aboushi (R)

* I sure hope the Chiefs sign Albert long term. If not, chances are good that I'll be revisiting the offensive line in next year's draft, although the rookies might pan out.

G
Jon Asamoah
David DeCastro (Steelers)
Kraig Urbik (Bills)

* I think I'm set at guard.

C
Rodney Hudson

* I'm still optimistic here.

K
Ryan Succop

P
Dustin Colquitt

* No big worries at either kicker position and Colquitt should be set for a while with his new contract.

FS
Kendrick Lewis
Hasain Abdullah
Sanders Comings (R) *IRdtR*

* I'm not sure if Commings is a FS or a SS, but I listed him here.

SS
Eric Berry

* I'm too thin at SS, but at least he's a good one.

CB
Brandon Flowers
Alterraun Verner (Titans)
Johnny Patrick (Saints)
Marcus Cooper
Ron Parker

* I like my CBs a lot.

OLB
Tamba Hali
Justin Houston
Frank Zombo
Cornellius Carradine (49ers) (R) (NFI)
Josh Martin

* I've got solid starters here, and when Carradine comes back from his non-football injury, I'm hopeful that he can be a third pass rushing stud.

ILB
Derrick Johnson
Sean Lee (Cowboys)
James-Michael Johnson
Vince Williams (Steelers) (R)

* This is another strength area. Top notch starters with promising younger backups.

DE
Tyson Jackson
Sheldon Richardson (Jets) (R)
Mike DeVito
Kendall Reyes (Chargers)
Karl Klug (Titans)

* If $Rich pans out, this position group could move from serviceable to a strength area.

NT
Anthony Toribio
Jaye Howard
Alameda Ta'amu (Cardinals)

* I'm pretty weak at NT

Cuts:
Eric Winston
Kevin Boss
Steve Breaston
Matt Cassel
Brady Quinn
Ricky Stanzi
Nate Eachus
Peyton Hillis
Ryan Lilja
Abram Elam
Stanford Routt
Andy Studebaker
Shaun Draughn
Ryan Swope *retired*
Sean McGrath
Steve Manari
David Reed
Matt Tennant
DeQuan Menzie
Justin Cole
Demorrio Williams
Brandon Siler
Eric Bakhtiari
Jerrell Powe
Marcus Dixon
Chad Hall
Quinton Demps
Akeem Jordan
Wallace Gilberry
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A review of my team's draft this year. Recall that we traded out of the #1 pick at significant cost to pick up more lower picks.

All in all, I hit first-round gold and got some production out of my lower picks. My mid-round picks were a disaster in their rookie year, though.

Round 1, Pick 13 - Star Lotulelei, DT (Panthers)

Started every game, played well, and got a couple of DROY votes. Filled a huge need on my team. Grade: A

Round 2, Pick 34 - Geno Smith, QB (Jets)

Started every game, but it was a learning year. He's my second-string QB and hopefully he'll improve with experience. Grade: C-

Round 2, Pick 39 - Menelik Watson, OT (Raiders)

Had some nagging injuries that cost him the chance to shine. Started only three games even with injuries to Veldheer. Perhaps he'll blossom next year. Grade: D

Round 3, Pick 63 - Travis Kelce, TE (Chiefs)

Total injury bust in Year One. Grade: F

Round 3, Pick 72 - Brandon Williams, DT (Ravens)

This one hurt. He saw very little action this year, and I drafted him after strongly considering both Keenan Allen and John Jenkins. Grade: D-

Round 3, Pick 96 - Tyler Wilson, QB (Raiders)

Huge bust. Grade: F.

Round 4, Pick 99 - Denard Robinson, RB/KR (Jaguars)

I don't know what happened here. I took him as a high-risk, high-reward play, and he was looking promising in preseason. But then he almost never saw the field once the season started. Grade: D-

Round 5, Pick 134 - Jesse Williams, DT (Seahawks)

Went on IR in preseason. Grade: F

Round 5, Pick 141 - A.J. Klein, ILB (Panthers)

Actually got a couple of starts and made some tackles, mostly on special teams, I think. But still, he made the team. Grade: B

Round 6, Pick 170 - Bacarri Rambo, FS (Redskins)

He actually won the starting job in preseason and I was quite hopeful, but got demoted three weeks later. He's still better than Kendrick Lewis. Grade: A-

Round 6, Pick 204 - Jordan Poyer, CB (Eagles)

Got cut by the team that drafted him, and had a good punt return average with the Browns in limited action. At least he's still in the league. Grade: B-
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Here's how my draft looked after the first year. I had a strong first round pick but then my draft nose dives pretty quickly in terms of first year production. Several players suffered injuries (or were drafted with injuries) and I have hope that some of them will bounce back and turn into nice players. Some of them look like pure busts.

1.13 (13) - Sheldon Richardson DT (Jets)

Finished as PFF's 5th rated 3-4 DE. Had 4 sacks and was a wall against the run. Lost a couple votes to Star Lotulelei on his way to winning DROY award. Not the biggest hole on my team, but despite losing Tyson Jackson this off-season it has become a strength. Grade: A

2.07 (39) - Cornellius Carradine DE (49ers)

Carradine spent his first season on injury lists and making no impact. Given the quality players ahead of him on the depth chart, he's likely to be a role player in 2014. If this pick is going to pan out, it's probably going to be another year away. For now... Grade: F

3.01 (63) - Terrance Williams WR (Cowboys)

Williams had a decent rookie season starting 8 games and catching 44 passes for 736 yards and 5 touchdowns. This was a huge hole for my team so that production was welcome. With a chance to go into the upcoming season as Dallas' #2 WR, we're hoping for a good sophomore season. Grade: B-

3.10 (72) - Terron Armstead OT (Saints)

Armstead started 2 games as a rookie and looks likely to take over as the Saints' starting LT this year. Not much rookie production for a 3rd round pick. Grade: D

3.34 (96) - Knile Davis RB

Davis rushed for 242 yards and 4 TDs in limited action behind Jamaal Charles. He had a pretty good game going in the playoffs after Charles went down with a concussion, but then then he broke. His injury riddled history has me very concerned. Grade: D+

4.02 (99) - Josh Boyce WR (Patriots)

Boyce was drafted with a toe injury so he got off to a slow start his rookie season. He started 3 games but only caught 9 passes for 121 yards. Grade: D+

5.01 (134) - Sanders Commings CB

Missed almost the entire season with injuries. Grade: F

5.08 (141) - Oday Aboushi OT (Jets)

Aboushi didn't see the field and will have an uphill battle for playing time in 2014 as far as I can tell. Grade: F

6.02 (170) - Ryan Swope WR (retired)

Retired. Grade: F

6.36 (204) - Vince Williams LB (Steelers)

Williams started 11 games as a rookie which seems like a win for a 6th rounder. Grade: B
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Ok I'm updated

1-13: OLB Jarvis Jones Georgia

2-39: QB Geno Smith WVUOk

CB/S Dave Amerson NC State

3-63: TE Travis Kelcie Cincinnati

3-72: WR Stedman Bailey WVU

3-96: OC Brian Schwenkie California

4-99: OG/OT Barrett Jones Alabama

5-134: DT Jessie Williams Alabama

5-141: ILB AJ Klien Iowa State

6-178: DE Joe Kruger Utah

6-204: DE/OLB Mike Capatano Princeton

Trades

Reject Alex Smith trade

sign CB Dunta Robinson $15m/3 years
sign S Hasain Abdullah
sign WR Mardy Gilyard
sign DT Marcus Dixon
sign TE Kevin Brock
sign TE Anthony Fasano 4 years
sign QB Chase Daniel 3 years
sign DE Mike DeVito $12.6m/3 years
sign WR Donnie Avery 3 years
sign CB Sean Smith $18m/3 years ($11m guaranteed)
sign OT/OG Geoff Schwartz
sign FB Ryan D'Imperio
sign LB Chad Kilgore
sign LB Frank Zombo
sign OL Tommie Draheim

qb: I unlike the chiefs have a young qb being groomed

rb: same as chiefs

wr: stronger than the chiefs with crabtree and bowe

Te: unfortunately i didn't draft moeaki so i'm weaker

OL: I have youthfull backups but like chiefs need a rt

c: stronger i have matt tenet as the hier apparent to wegman

k and P: same as chieffs

De: more youth than chiefs with selvie added
DT: stronger than chiefs with Cam Thomas
OLB bout the same as chiefs
ILB : stronger with spikes and DJ
Cb: same as chiefs
S: weaker cause no SS kendrick lewis

overall stronger than the chiefs in certain areas draft needs in no order TE, RT, qb, RB WR unlike the chiefs i'm good at DT.

2009 draft

#3- Michael Crabtree - WR Texas Tech (49ers)
#67- Jaron Gilbert - DE San Jose ST (Bears)
#102- Brandon Williams - OLB/DE. Texas Tech (cowboys)
#139- Cornellius Ingram- TE Florida (eagles)
#175- A. Gardner- OT Georgia Tech (dolphins)
#212- AQ Shipley- OC. Penn State (steelers)
#237- Darry Beckwith- ILB LSU. (chargers)
#256- Ryan Succop- PK. South Carolina. (chiefs)

2010 draft

1st: Eric Berry S Tennessee
2nd: Javier Arenas CB Alabama
2nd: Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
3rd: Jon Asamoah OG Illinois
4th: Kam Chancelor FS Virginia Tech
5th: CAm Thomas NT North Carolina
5th: John Skelton QB Fordham
5th: Matt Tenet OC Boston College
6th: George Selvie OLB South Florida

2011 Draft

1. Mark Ingram rb alabama
2. Dontay. Moch. OLB. Nevada
3. Leonard Hankerson WR. Miami
3. Allen. Bailey. DE. Miami
4. Owen Marecic. FB. Stanford
5. Ricky Stanzi. QB. Iowa
5. Ahmad. Black. S. Florida
6. Jerrel Powe NT Mississippi
7. Lee Ziemba. OT. Auburn

2012 Draft:

1. DT Dontari Powe Memphis
2. OL Jeff Allen Illinois
3. OT Donald Stephenson Oklahoma
4. WR Devon Wiley Fresno State
5. DB Dequan Menzie Alabama
6. RB Cyrus Gray Texas A & M
7. DE Jerome Long San Diego State
7. WR Junior Hemingway Michigan

ok done some thinking

traded Tank Tyler midseason, traded thigpen when we did never traded for the two bumbs in Miami.

so with that 1st, 2 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, and a 6th

QB

12 Smith, Geno
10 Daniel, Chase
9 Bray, Tyler

HB
25 Charles, Jamaal
28 Mark Ingram -
42 Cyrus Gray

FB
42 Sherman, Anthony

WR
82 Bowe, Dwayne - 16 starts
15 Michael Crabtree -15 starts
13 Bailey, Stedman
88 Junior Hemmingway
00 Dressler, Weston

TE

80 Fasano, Anthony
87 Kelcie, Travis
47 Harris, Demitrus

T

79 Donald Stephenson
78 Eric Winstrom
77 Barrett Jones
00 Linchenbach, Jeff

G

74 Smith, Wade G 16 starts
73 Asomah, john - 1 start
72 Jeff Allen
75 Johnson, Rishaw
69 Watkins, Rokevious

C

62 Schwenkie, Brian
61 AQ Shipley

K
6 Ryan Succop K South Carolina- 16 starts

P
2 Colquitt, Dustin P - 16 starts

LS

43 Thomas Gafford

FS

37 Kam Chancelor
39 Abdullah, Hussain
41 Bronson, Malcolm

SS

29 berry, eric - 16 starts
Ahmad Black

CB

24 Flowers, Brandon
38 Amerson, Dave
27 Smith, Steve
37 Parker, Ron
31 Cooper, Marcus
00 Owens, Chris

OLB

91 Hali, Tamba - 16 starts
95 Jones, Jarvis
52 Moch, Dontay

ILB

56 Johnson, Derrick - 16 starts
51 spikes, brandon - 8 starts
48 Klien, AJ
00 Mays, Joe

DE

97 Allen Bailey
99 Selvie, George
94 gillberry, wallace -2 starts
77 Capatano, Michael
90 Kruger, Joe

DT

93 Jerrell Powe
92 Dontari Poe
93 Thomas, CAm
57 Williams, Jessie
70 DeVito, Mike
00 Walker, Vance
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