Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Strongside:
Our 18 month old has been in daycare the entire time as well.
We have had to wear masks in and the kids get their temp taken at the door, but no masks are required other than teachers within the facility.
No one there has had it to my knowledge.
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
His refusal to acknowledge rioting would spread C-19 was pretty damning.
On that note we have had the same experience , no one at the facility has gotten Covid. We drop the kiddos off, don't even get out of the car. They take his temp before he gets out of the car, ask us questions, etc. and off he goes.
When we pick him up same thing, they take his temp on the way out. Only the instructors have had to wear a mask.
So now suddenly my child has to wear a mask all day even when outside. That is where I can share some frustration not just with Fauci per say but people in general that thought it was okay for people to get out there and protest because "it was outside". Now suddenly that isn't quite the case for everyone else. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
His refusal to acknowledge rioting would spread C-19 was pretty damning.
"Masks can help, but it's masks plus physical separation," Fauci said in an interview on "Good Morning America" Wednesday.
"When you get congregations like we saw with the demonstrations," he continued, "that's taking a risk."
Fauci said on "GMA" that the report "is certainly disturbing but is not surprising." He added that he "wouldn't be surprised" if some of the people who were there demonstrating were also infected.
"Many of them would then go back to where they were [from] because not everyone was demonstrating in the city where they live," he said. "So it's the kind of things that we were concerned about and, unfortunately, we're seeing it come true right now." [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
His refusal to acknowledge rioting would spread C-19 was pretty damning.
"Every time I hear about or see the congregation of large crowds at a time and geographic area where there is active infection transmission, it is a perfect set-up for the spread of the virus in the sense of creating these blips that might turn into some surges," Fauci said. "So I get very concerned."
"There certainly is a risk, I would say that with confidence, when you see the congregation of crowds," he said, "particularly in a situation where you have a lot of confusion and a little bit of chaos, people running back and forth, taking their masks off, being close in proximity, that does pose a risk." [Reply]
It's hilarious how afraid he is to just say it outright. But he knows about the media and how they'll twist his words or grab sound bites. I kind of don't blame him. [Reply]
Originally Posted by loochy:
It's hilarious how afraid he is to just say it outright. But he knows about the media and how they'll twist his words or grab sound bites. I kind of don't blame him.
He did say it outright. BCD was either ignorant with his false claim, or lying. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jdubya:
I am 57 years old and visit my parents in a nearby town. They are 87 years old. I have not had contact with my mom or dad since March when this Covid began. My mom yesterday asked me to give her a hug and I told her no.....I was wearing a mask since i just returned from a vacation out of state. She cried. **** this bull shit. If I am 87 years old and cant hug my ****ing kids.......who gives a ****? My mom knows her days are numbered regardless and doesnt want this covid bullshit to ruin her interactions with her kids and grandkids.....I dont blame her at all......Fauci can fuck himself.....I will go ahead and begin hugging my parents again.
Originally Posted by Donger:
"Every time I hear about or see the congregation of large crowds at a time and geographic area where there is active infection transmission, it is a perfect set-up for the spread of the virus in the sense of creating these blips that might turn into some surges," Fauci said. "So I get very concerned."
"There certainly is a risk, I would say that with confidence, when you see the congregation of crowds," he said, "particularly in a situation where you have a lot of confusion and a little bit of chaos, people running back and forth, taking their masks off, being close in proximity, that does pose a risk."
He was asked specifically about the riots by Jim Jordan and kept dodging the question. I won't post it here but it's easily found. Loochy obviously saw it as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
He was asked specifically about the riots by Jim Jordan and kept dodging the question. I won't post it here but it's easily found.
That's nice. But as you can see, Fauci didn't refuse to acknowledge that the protests and riots would spread the virus, as you claimed. In fact, he did the exact opposite. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
That's nice. But as you can see, Fauci didn't refuse to acknowledge that the protests and riots would spread the virus, as you claimed. In fact, he did the exact opposite.
He still did a nice little dance is what you posted. He won't come out and say "The riots contributed to the spread of Covid" for whatever reason. It's always more generalizations about "large crowds ane gatherings" blah blah blah.
Go watch his exchange with JJ. It's very odd. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
He still did a nice little dance is what you posted. He won't come out and say "The riots contributed to the spread of Covid" for whatever reason. It's always more generalizations about "large crowds ane gatherings" blah blah blah.
Go watch his exchange with JJ. It's very odd.
"Every time I hear about or see the congregation of large crowds at a time and geographic area where there is active infection transmission, it is a perfect set-up for the spread of the virus in the sense of creating these blips that might turn into some surges," Fauci said. "So I get very concerned."
No, you're just wrong. He knows that any large gathering is a risk during a pandemic.
I don't care about his exchange with JJ. He clearly wants nothing to do with the politicization of this thing, despite the efforts of others to do just that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
He still did a nice little dance is what you posted. He won't come out and say "The riots contributed to the spread of Covid" for whatever reason. It's always more generalizations about "large crowds ane gatherings" blah blah blah.
Go watch his exchange with JJ. It's very odd.
Fauci has said repeatedly that he avoids getting political. He did the same thing when asked a question about Biden, refused to comment because it would be political.
A general "all gatherings run the risk of spreading covid" without commenting on a specific source of the gathering, is exactly what medical professionals should say. Doing more would be seen as taking a side. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
He still did a nice little dance is what you posted. He won't come out and say "The riots contributed to the spread of Covid" for whatever reason. It's always more generalizations about "large crowds ane gatherings" blah blah blah.
Go watch his exchange with JJ. It's very odd.
I suppose you expected him to list any and all actions that could contribute to the spread of covid?!
Originally Posted by sedated:
Fauci has said repeatedly that he avoids getting political. He did the same thing when asked a question about Biden, refused to comment because it would be political.
A general "all gatherings run the risk of spreading covid" without commenting on a specific source of the gathering, is exactly what medical professionals should say. Doing more would be seen as taking a side.
Odd that a guy who has spent his entire career in the political arena wants to deny he wants to be involved in politics. [Reply]
