Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Kansas Governor is threatening lockdown next week
She can threaten all she wants. The KS legislature passed a bill that allows local governments (school district, county, city) to opt out of any executive orders the governor puts out. So it will be just like this latest mask mandate some will follow it some wont. My county opted out of it as did our neighboring county but the City of Manhattan did not so as long as you're not in the City Limit there is not mandatory mask requirements. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think that's a very myopic view to be honest. It assumes you can lock down harder and stay locked down longer without any ancillary effects or unintended consequences. Just saying.
Why do you ignore the fact that most of the rest of the developed world has done it and come out much better than we have? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KS Smitty:
She can threaten all she wants. The KS legislature passed a bill that allows local governments (school district, county, city) to opt out of any executive orders the governor puts out. So it will be just like this latest mask mandate some will follow it some wont. My county opted out of it as did our neighboring county but the City of Manhattan did not so as long as you're not in the City Limit there is not mandatory mask requirements.
What county are you in? My problem with her lock down threat is that she appears to be hyping things a bit and doesn't appear to give a damn or offer to help the businesses she will impact and their employees.
People get tired of a Governor who doesn't lose a dime telling other people to fuck off and deal with it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Why do you ignore the fact that most of the rest of the developed world has done it and come out much better than we have?
Cause the rest of the world is not us? :-) There is a reason our economy is better than everyone else's and the way we are set up is generally different than everyone else as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I think that's a very myopic view to be honest. It assumes you can lock down harder and stay locked down longer without any ancillary effects or unintended consequences. Just saying.
It's actually not. Had you done that, you'd be able to more fully reopen and have more consumer confidence which would increase economic output.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Cause the rest of the world is not us? :-) There is a reason our economy is better than everyone else's and the way we are set up is generally different than everyone else as well.
I guess it's just hard to discuss this kind of thing when that's your response.
Pete: "It can't be done!"
Me: "Sure it can - look at these dozens of examples."
Pete: "But they don't count!"
Originally Posted by O.city:
It's actually not. Had you done that, you'd be able to more fully reopen and have more consumer confidence which would increase economic output.
But that horse left a while ago.
I don't disagree with your theory. I just don't think it would have been as smooth as you think. Just my .02. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I wont argue that a 6 week hard lock down out the gate wouldn't have mitigated most of this, but that is 100% hindsight that almost no one thought was necessary back in early March.
Lots of people were suggesting lockdowns. Dr. David Ho accurately predicted this would happen because we did sequential lockdowns and it predictably failed.
I wish I could find a better picture but these graphs were introduced in April by Dr. David Ho (if you want to google what he’s accomplished in his field) the graph on the left shows if the entire country shut down together. The sequential graph is the path we took. https://t.co/V7MyfT6x7qpic.twitter.com/uxwbM70TLD
Originally Posted by petegz28:
What county are you in? My problem with her lock down threat is that she appears to be hyping things a bit and doesn't appear to give a damn or offer to help the businesses she will impact and their employees.
People get tired of a Governor who doesn't lose a dime telling other people to fuck off and deal with it.
I'm in Pottawatomie county, little to no mitigation efforts despite the county health directors suggestions. There has also been very little Covid here even with Manhattan (mostly Riley County) being a hotspot (for our area). I assume it's because we're essentially a rural county with no big cities and all big events have been cancelled/postponed for the last 4 months so there's not a lot of social gatherings of any size. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KS Smitty:
I'm in Pottawatomie county, little to no mitigation efforts despite the county health directors suggestions. There has also been very little Covid here even with Manhattan (mostly Riley County) being a hotspot (for our area). I assume it's because we're essentially a rural county with no big cities and all big events have been cancelled/postponed for the last 4 months so there's not a lot of social gatherings of any size.
I'm in JoCo but I think you knew that. We have seen a surge in cases but not in hospitalizations or deaths, thankfully.
The vast, vast majority of our deaths have been in the care facilities. I don't know what the answer is there. You have high risk individuals for all kinds of illnesses already clustered so it takes very little to spark the fire. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Lots of people were suggesting lockdowns. Dr. David Ho accurately predicted this would happen because we did sequential lockdowns and it predictably failed.
I wish I could find a better picture but these graphs were introduced in April by Dr. David Ho (if you want to google what he’s accomplished in his field) the graph on the left shows if the entire country shut down together. The sequential graph is the path we took. https://t.co/V7MyfT6x7qpic.twitter.com/uxwbM70TLD
This is where it becomes problematic for me. We're just such a big ass country size wise, it just makes things tough. People aren't gonna wanna do things that are like that in their area when they have basically zero outbreaks.
There are probably political reasons for that, but obviously this isn't the place to hash that out. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
This is where it becomes problematic for me. We're just such a big ass country size wise, it just makes things tough. People aren't gonna wanna do things that are like that in their area when they have basically zero outbreaks.
There are probably political reasons for that, but obviously this isn't the place to hash that out.
Yeah our size but the individuality of the states makes it tough. But I think we could have pulled it off. [Reply]
