She'd be fighting men who are WAYYYYYYY faster, stronger, tougher to take down or even clinch, and hit a helluva lot harder. Not to mention any of her strikes wouldn't have near the effect as against her normal opponents.
Mighty Mouse would tool her in half a round....
You are just flat-out wrong here. If Rousey was a middleweight and we were talking about the middleweight roster, I might agree since sheer upper body strength probably overcomes anything at that point, but 135-lb men are not very big. She probably couldn't trade, but it would usually go to the ground, and once it gets there she'd probably lock in an arm bar against at least half of the fighters, especially the unranked/unknown guys. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Jerm:
So going by your brilliant logic, if a 10 yr old is a Judo black belt, they should be able to beat 50% of the UFC's BW division.
If they were going against people at the same weight? (I guess we'd be talking about a small midget as an opponent)
No one is talking about (insert black belt here) against a significantly heavier opponent. [Reply]
Originally Posted by jd1020:
Pretty sure you can't be a black belt judo at age 10 anyways.
yeah, that too. It can't be a belt farm where they are just handing them out for a minimal amount of effort. A "real" judo, karate, or jiu-jitsu black belt granted by the most respected teachers takes such a long time to attain, that a very large portion of the UFC roster doesn't have it. There are lots of well-known fighters with brown or lesser belts who are winning just through sheer talent and the physical gifts they were born with. [Reply]
If we're making an apples to apples comparison I'd say Rogan has it right. But getting down to it guys that fight at 135 really only weigh 135 for about an hour. The rest of the time they're walking around at 160+. But men of similar size to her out of competition weight? A large number would get thrown and tapped. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
If we're making an apples to apples comparison I'd say Rogan has it right. But getting down to it guys that fight at 135 really only weigh 135 for about an hour. The rest of the time they're walking around at 160+. But men of similar size to her out of competition weight? A large number would get thrown and tapped.
Rousey is also a very big woman for that division. Some of the female bantamweights don't cut much weight, but she does.
I think what needs to be understood is that the pro-rousey argument, aside from emphasizing that 135 lb is not big, is also presuming that this won't be a boxing match and that it will almost definitely go to the ground. Down there, her expertise in grappling and how the body and joints work would be a strong advantage against lesser-skilled unranked or low-ranked small men.
If it were a boxing match, I think Rousey beats almost no one in the division. [Reply]
Originally Posted by raybec 4:
Either way I hope we never find out. I'd hate to see Dana go for the cheap draw and compromise (further) the integrity of his sport.
On a side note I hope Cat shocks the world this weekend.
I dont think you have to hope. I'm pretty confident that it will never happen anywhere outside of a wrestling mat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by alnorth:
You are just flat-out wrong here. If Rousey was a middleweight and we were talking about the middleweight roster, I might agree since sheer upper body strength probably overcomes anything at that point, but 135-lb men are not very big. She probably couldn't trade, but it would usually go to the ground, and once it gets there she'd probably lock in an arm bar against at least half of the fighters, especially the unranked/unknown guys.
There's tons of videos out there of Rousey sparring with men like BJ Penn. Size doesn't mean a whole lot to her. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Katipan:
I like Arianny. Probably because she paved the way for the very anti-blonde sentiment in the UFC. :-)
But I didn't like the crying bully thing.
I dont know the whole story other than Rousey said female fighters should atleast be making more than ring girls and that somehow threw a twist in Ariannys panties. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Easy 6:
I dont know the whole story other than Rousey said female fighters should atleast be making more than ring girls and that somehow threw a twist in Ariannys panties.
It only escalated one step further... Arianny called Rousey a bully and Ronda said "That the fighters should get paid more than the ring girls? How does that make me a bully? That makes me fucking right."
Which is my favorite thing ever said ever. [Reply]
