Originally Posted by Otter:
Like I said I'm just spit balling but Patrick isn't going to be able to toss the rock when constantly running for his life.
I'll buy ya a beer next time I'm in LA if it isn't Jenkins. :-)
Protection and receivers getting separation are both big parts of winning in this passing game.
The OL was poor at pass protection in the last 2 Super Bowls, but if we had more than just Kelce snd Hill that can get open, that helps the OL a lot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Otter:
Like I said I'm just spit balling but Patrick isn't going to be able to toss the rock when constantly running for his life.
I'll buy ya a beer next time I'm in LA if it isn't Jenkins. :-)
We can’t solve LT next year in the draft. Get a developmental guy? Absolutely. Any rookie LT we draft that starts will result in mahomes running for his life. LT needs to solved in the short term via free agency.
Here’s my first 3 picks.
Jaelen Phillips DE
Rondale Moore WR
Spencer Brown OT [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
We can’t solve LT next year in the draft. Get a developmental guy? Absolutely. Any rookie LT we draft that starts will result in mahomes running for his life. LT needs to solved in the short term via free agency.
Here’s my first 3 picks.
Jaelen Phillips DE
Rondale Moore WR
Spencer Brown OT
Just ... not true. The “running for life” bit.
There are going to be a lot of talented guys available to the Chiefs in the first and second round who could step in and play well immediately.
No, they aren’t going to land a Trent Brown at 31. But good lord. Don’t overrate Eric Fisher (who was good, not great).
They need to get SOLID play at LT. They have an excellent LG to stick next to that LT, who has made a lot of LT look better next to him than they actually were.
There are a lot of paths forward. It could be taking a T in the draft and riding with that guy. It could be a veteran addition. It could be a trade.
But they’re not locked into a single solution. [Reply]
I wonder if there's a hidden gem that the Chiefs are high on that no-one is talking about?? Last year I didn't even know who Niang and Sneed were and it wouldn't surprise me at all if we end up taking some small school guy that has incredible traits but was a ghost before draft night.
Anyway my rop three right now are
Stone
Walker
Leatherwood
All of them have played LT, Plus have the size and arm length that Andy likes imo. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Just ... not true. The “running for life” bit.
There are going to be a lot of talented guys available to the Chiefs in the first and second round who could step in and play well immediately.
No, they aren’t going to land a Trent Brown at 31. But good lord. Don’t overrate Eric Fisher (who was good, not great).
They need to get SOLID play at LT. They have an excellent LG to stick next to that LT, who has made a lot of LT look better next to him than they actually were.
There are a lot of paths forward. It could be taking a T in the draft and riding with that guy. It could be a veteran addition. It could be a trade.
But they’re not locked into a single solution.
Let’s just agree to disagree. I’d rather not draft any of these later rookies to start and protect mahomes at LT. So, Here’s another point... the drop off from many of these LTs that we are talking about is not enough to invest a 1st round pick. From, little to leatherwood, stone, cosmi, brown, eichenberg... I could keep going... there are like 10 of these guys that are kinda lumped together. The drop off at other positions is more distinct. Get another position in the first and target LT in the 2nd or third. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
Then why would you be ok with taking a LT round 1? Reaching at 31 is not smart when one of these LTs will be available in the 2nd, maybe the third. I can’t understand the panic to take a project LT in round one that won’t be better than an experienced free agent in year 1.
You can afford to take a project at 31. That's not a super premium pick. I didn't say I WOULD however, I said I wouldn't have a problem with it.
There's not much they can do that would have me up in arms, outside of trading away next year's first to move up. [Reply]
Originally Posted by kcbubb:
We can’t solve LT next year in the draft. Get a developmental guy? Absolutely. Any rookie LT we draft that starts will result in mahomes running for his life. LT needs to solved in the short term via free agency.
Here’s my first 3 picks.
Jaelen Phillips DE
Rondale Moore WR
Spencer Brown OT
Originally Posted by staylor26:
Not to mention the guy was just a true sophomore in 2018.
Okay, so answer me this. This game was in late September of 2018. In the Chris Simms Offensive Tackle rankings this season, he stated Little was a franchise LT. But this tape doesn't really show that. Is this tape anything to be alarmed by? Or just an anomaly?
BTW, you have to rewind about 10 minutes to get in all all of the Chris Simms conversation involving the OT's. Good stuff in those first 10 minutes. [Reply]
And I love Spencer brown like you love Jenkins. He’s a perfect fit with a stop gap LT. Here’s a review. His athletic ability and size are unreal. He’s a giant. I’m hopeful his injury, lack of experience, playing at northern Iowa and depth at RT cause him to slide. He’s not ready to start day 1 but I don’t see a prospect with a higher ceiling, huge upside. Pro day numbers are also below.
By Lance Zierlein
NFL Analyst
NFL Comparison
Jared Veldheer
Overview
Towering tackle prospect with the hands, feet and length in place to become a quality pass protector on the next level. Despite playing right tackle his entire career at Northern Iowa, Brown has the athleticism to give it a go on the left side if a team desires. He's packed on weight and muscle over the years but his performance at the Senior Bowl practices showed that there is still work to do in terms of improving his core strength to offset his high center of gravity. He can play in a variety of run schemes but he will be at his best on the move, where his foot quickness will give him an advantage in finding the angles. Slippery athletes with good length will be trouble for him early and maybe beyond, but he's an above-average hand-fighter with a variety of pass sets he can utilize, which should help him as an eventual starter with early swing tackle value.
Strengths
Excellent lean mass despite adding nearly 100 pounds since high school.
Proportionally built with room for additional mass.
Loyal, team-first mentality.
Natural bender with impressive athletic ability.
Foot agility and explosiveness to make all the move blocks.
Works at coming off with good pad level despite his height.
Accelerates into block and immediately runs feet with vigor.
All-day block finisher who's hungry for pancakes.
Pass-pro hips and feet of an early-round pick.
Good recognition of late add-ons looking to blitz.
Basketball feet to mirror in all directions.
Above-average feel for feints and hand fighting.
Quality resets take him from losing position to winning position.
Flashes talent to throw a variety of protection looks at pass rushers.
Weaknesses
Opponents often get under his pads due to high center of gravity.
Better blocking on angles than heads-up.
Missed blocks usually due to footwork issues.
Narrow drive base can get him tossed by power.
Second-level climbs can lack control at times.
Oversets really hurt him against James Madison.
Width of pass slides can get uneven.
Needs to eliminate forward lean into punch to avoid push-pull moves.
Doesn't stay square for as long as he needs to in pass sets.
Sources Tell Us
"He could have transferred to a Power Five school once he knew they weren't going to play football this year but he wanted to stay out of loyalty. I love that! I love his intensity, his quickness. Love the potential." -- National scout for AFC team
Brown measured in at 6’8 1/2″ and 311 pounds. His arms reached 34 ¾ inches and he completed 33 reps on the bench, although scouts took four away for poor technique, officially crediting him with 29 reps.
His 40 times clocked between 4.88 to 4.90 seconds, with his three-cone coming in sharp at 6.96 seconds. His short shuttle was 4.34 seconds. Brown’s other marks include 31.5 inches in the vertical jump and 9’9″ in the broad jump. [Reply]
Listening to Christian Darrisaw on NFL network in an interview. I got a bad vibe from this guy. He does not come off as overly smart, Inadvertently trashed his high school coaching, and some of the footage from his pro day doesn’t exactly flatter. He looked to give up in some of the drills and looked rather fatigued after some of them. I know he is coming off injury, but not the impression a supposed top 15 pick is supposed to give. I am not touching this guy if I’m KC. [Reply]