Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I'm actually fucking astounded by the fact that people would show up to that concert. First, you have to listen to shitty Great White, and then, as if that isn't enough suffering, you end up with teh COVID. [Reply]
If I was talking to you I would explain there are several studies like this and some have already been linked. One theory is that the younger children simply do not possess enough "power" to expel enough of the virus to infect others based on the size of their lungs, or lackethereof.
But **** you, I am not talking to you and kiss my ass. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
If I was talking to you I would explain there are several studies like this and some have already been linked. One theory is that the younger children simply do not possess enough "power" to expel enough of the virus to infect others based on the size of their lungs, or lackethereof.
But **** you, I am not talking to you and kiss my ass.
Originally Posted by O.city:
It definitely won’t or can’t be business as usual. It’s a ****ed up situation all around
It won't be that's for sure. But it is not a binary situation though some seem to think otherwise.
The fact is we have no idea when a vaccine is coming and really that isn't the fix. The fix is treatments for when you do get it. We are making progress but at some point you have to keep life going as well. We can't just stop. We can lock down for months and watch it all go away then all it takes is one person to get it and it starts all over again.
And FTR, sore throat is the 8th most common symptom, contrary to popular belief. Only 31% of cases has stated they had a sore throat. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
I wish it was that simple. But it's not. As I mentioned, they've had months to plan for this. Analyze every aspect of a child's day at your school. Identify risks, either eliminate or mitigate. Get it fucking done. Or send me half of my fucking property tax money back.
Never sending you that money back because there is still all the same overhead involved. There will be at least online classes.
I work at a private university. We have been planning as well we have been doing lots of things to mitigate risks. It is not perfect nor is it gonna be. Several of our professors are not sure if they will even participate in seated environment. We are providing the clear face shields for all professors. We are limiting classroom size to 10 students per average size classroom. We are putting ionizers and UV lights in common areas and classrooms.
Originally Posted by Chief Roundup:
Never sending you that money back because there is still all the same overhead involved. There will be at least online classes.
I work at a private university. We have been planning as well we have been doing lots of things to mitigate risks. It is not perfect nor is it gonna be. Several of our professors are not sure if they will even participate in seated environment. We are providing the clear face shields for all professors. We are limiting classroom size to 10 students per average size classroom. We are putting ionizers and UV lights in common areas and classrooms.
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Not the same overhead without students. No way. Lights aren't on, minimal heat/AC, waaay less water usage, no wear and tear and kids breaking shit. Sure, still have regular maintenance to do but make no mistake, they're saving some change.
I know better than to expect any tax money back. I don't have school age children so it's already money I'm not getting anything in return for. But if I did, I'd feel a whole lot different about it, because all the shit they're saving money on...is costing me now. If they don't open, they owe the parents an awful lot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bugeater:
Not the same overhead without students. No way. Lights aren't on, minimal heat/AC, waaay less water usage, no wear and tear and kids breaking shit. Sure, still have regular maintenance to do but make no mistake, they're saving some change.
I know better than to expect any tax money back. I don't have school age children so it's already money I'm not getting anything in return for. But if I did, I'd feel a whole lot different about it, because all the shit they're saving money on...is costing me now. If they don't open, they owe the parents an awful lot.
A very large percentage of educational costs are personnel. The savings related to empty buildings is less than 15% unless you are talking about permanent changes in how education is delivered (selling buildings, etc.)
Teachers, students and parents all clearly want.place-based face-to-face education. Just hard to do right now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Based on what we know so far, not likely.
Where is everyone getting the info that kids are getting, passing and having issues here? Everything I’ve read is the opposite?
Donald McNeil was saying this on the NY Times daily podcast the other day. He was the one who basically predicted all this mess before it happened. But he was on the other day, and that was his only real bit of good news... it looked like schools weren't a huge cause of spread and he said we may be able to have school in some form this fall.
Now the flipside is we're far more out of control than some of these other countries who have opened up schools and done fine, so I guess we'll see. He didn't have a specific answer as to why this was the case, because kids can certainly drive a lot of illness. His theory was that when COVID does show up in these kids, it shows up as inflammation in the body and maybe not in a more contagious respiratory way as it does with adults. [Reply]
