... the word in the Chiefs building is that they would like to trade up for QB Patrick Mahomes or RB Christian McCaffrey in the first round. If this falls through, he said they like ILB Zach Cunningham a lot as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DJ's left nut:
I called it average prior to all the combine stuff; I was never a fan of his arm strength.
And no, I really can't but I haven't gone through all his throws. I just can't see any way that having a below average arm isn't going to impact him on timing routes. The WCO has all those short, quick routes where space is tight; if you can't fire it in there, you're operating with no margin for error.
And I'm aware they didn't track velocity then, but they've been able to determine it now. You're not using Brady or Brees as prospects, you're using their pro performances to support your argument. As a pro, Brady can hit 60 so he's really not the argument you're wanting to make here.
And if you draft Watson hoping for Brees, you're a hell of a lot more likely to get Pat White for your efforts.
Nah not Brees but I think his ceiling is something like a QB who's every bit athletic as Mariotta and could develop into McNabb as a passer. [Reply]
What's going to be hilarious is when we're at this point next year and we're still picking in the 20's range in the draft. We'll be out of range of the top QB's and people will continue to say it's too risky to trade up for a QB. We'll be in the same situation as Houston, a team with an amazing defense and excellent talent on offense but absolutely nobody at QB to make them a legitimate contender. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
If there is a hyper-run on qbs early, I hope KC stays out. Some serious talent will drop as a result. Guys I think will slip:
Cook
Barnett
Humphrey
Peppers
Cunningham
White
Davis
Cook - hard pass; we've discussed why
Barnett - Great production but if you believe in SPARQ, he's a big time risk. The athleticism may just not be there.
Humphrey - eh; just not enthused about a CB in the first due to Peters and the depth of this class. There are starters that will be there in the 3rd.
Peppers - has no home here. Has no home in most systems. Weird tweener of a player that reminds me a bit of Su'a Cravens in that you need to draft him to just the right team. If you commit to making him Deone Bucannon, I guess you could make that work if you have a strong run-support ILB alongside him. Interesting pick but probably too much risk for me.
Cunningham - odd prospect but I like him. Would most likely be fine with this pick.
White - Surely you don't mean Tre'Davious. He's a 2nd round pick, IMO. At best.
Davis - seems unlikely but if he's there you have to be excited about grabbing him. Fuck it, at that point just go ahead and take Chad Kelly in the 4th and pray. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I have a feeling he's talking about Jarrad Davis
No I was referencing Cory. Some are citing drops and ability to seperate as concerns. I really like him.
Barnett intrigues me too. He looks dumpy and doesn't explode with measurables, but he scraps and gets the job done.
I just listed guys you hear whispers about with regards to a fall - not that I think they would necessarily be a fit for KC. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I have a feeling he's talking about Jarrad Davis
That also wouldn't be a 'drop' though; like White. If anything, taking White or Davis at 27 would be a bit of a reach, but one made knowing that neither of them will be available for you later. You don't do it with White because there are too many alternatives.
But if Dorsey thinks Davis is a 3-down backer (he might be), I guess you could justify taking him there. It would not be a pick I'm excited about, but I'd deal...I guess.
I figured he meant Corey Davis, who would be a genuine 'drop' if he fell to 27. More likely would be Ross and he'd be a nice get there as well. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
If there is a hyper-run on qbs early, I hope KC stays out. Some serious talent will drop as a result. Guys I think will slip:
Cook
Barnett
Humphrey
Peppers
Cunningham
White
Davis
If the Chiefs elect not to take a quarterback in the first round, they shouldn't take one until late in the draft.
There's nothing worse than drafting a back up caliber quarterback in the middle of the draft considering you are passing on players in a very deep draft who could push for starting roles. [Reply]
Good comparison and breakdown of Webb and Mahomes.
Can't disagree with much of that at all.
There's no question that you'll have to beat every one of those stupid, across the body, late and over the middle throws that Mahomes makes out of him. Hell, if he completes one, bench his ass for the rest of the series. You cannot, cannot, cannot make that pass. Ever.
But as has been noted, without those concerns, he's not available after the 5th pick, that's how good that arm is. That's how bright the flashes are. If you want that kind of Aaron Rodgers passer to EVER be a Chief, that's the kind of risk you have to take.
Or you live with 10 more years of Smith/Petermans. In the middle there's a Davis Webb. I dunno, am I crazy to see a little bit of Stafford in there? He doesn't have Stafford's pure arm strength, but even Stafford doesn't have the fastball he once did. I guess you could call him a little more mobile version of Flacco?
Nowhere near the ceiling but probably more floor. I'd take Webb in the 2nd 100 times out of 100 over Peterman in the 3rd (or 5th, for that matter). But it seems unlikely that Webb makes it to the 2nd and I'm not excited about taking him in the first. Maybe I just haven't looked at him closely enough. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Yeah, but with the money backup qbs are getting these days, having a good one for cheap can bring alot of value.
I'm liking davis Webb more and more after seeing your posts in him. Maybe trade up from the 2nd to get him?
If we like him, take him rd 1. Get the 5th year option and don't trade up a fortune to move up in rd 2.
Double-digit teams told the kid he's a first rd player. It was also said on Matt Miller's podcast that he might not be too highly sought after in rd 1 but he'll have a giant bullseye on his back in rd 2.
Originally Posted by Chief Northman:
No I was referencing Cory. Some are citing drops and ability to seperate as concerns. I really like him.
Barnett intrigues me too. He looks dumpy and doesn't explode with measurables, but he scraps and gets the job done.
I just listed guys you hear whispers about with regards to a fall - not that I think they would necessarily be a fit for KC.
I think Corey Davis is going to be a stud. Dont see how he drops to even the late teens. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ASS11:
DO IT NEXT YEAR FOR A REAL QB
Darnold is going #1, so he's out. Then you are probably looking at Rosen, Allen, or Falk.
I don't know. I can see that those are probably better prospects, but I hate to count on the future a year in advance. That class might look similar to this one a year from now. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiefAshhole1056:
I think Corey Davis is going to be a stud. Dont see how he drops to even the late teens.
With John Ross rising and Davis not being able to put together a workout predraft it is possible he is on the fall. He is one of the few non qb picks I would be excited about.
In the second I am all aboard the Sidney Jones train. He is one of the best corners in this class and would be an absolute steal. We don't need him this year and would be a perfect plug in if Mitchell doesn't play the way he did this last year or isn't retained [Reply]