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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 08:15 AM 06-27-2020
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article...iaa794/5862649

Good news on getting back in schools
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chiefzilla1501 08:24 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
I think it’s pretty obvious now something happened about 3 weeks ago to cause all these spikes in younger people

Damn
Some thing, or some things? The most obvious thing seems to be that states that ignored safety precautions during reopening are seeing the biggest surges.
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O.city 08:32 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
Some thing, or some things? The most obvious thing seems to be that states that ignored safety precautions during reopening are seeing the biggest surges.
You’d have had surges earlier if that were solely the case.

In the end, its probably a combination
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Chitownchiefsfan 08:41 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
You’d have had surges earlier if that were solely the case.

In the end, its probably a combination
It is probably a combination but i wonder why the surges are hitting texas, Arizona and Florida so hard and not here in Illinois.

We had massive protests in the 3rd largest city and we haven't had major spikes.
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petegz28 08:45 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
It is probably a combination but i wonder why the surges are hitting texas, Arizona and Florida so hard and not here in Illinois.

We had massive protests in the 3rd largest city and we haven't had major spikes.
Few reasons....

Protests
Re-opening
Indoors because it's hot so people to to the AC
Mexico had a bad surge as I understand it

Florida is a bit of an enigma but again go back to the AC issue. And I assume a lot of travel to Florida as well.
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O.city 08:49 AM 06-27-2020
Places that were hit hard early aren’t hit hard now. Possibly theyve hit enough immunity to slow it way down
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petegz28 08:52 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Places that were hit hard early aren’t hit hard now. Possibly theyve hit enough immunity to slow it way down
That's a good point as well. And just some perspective, Illinois has more cases than Florida and less cases that Texas but more deaths than both.

Also we don't know how many younglings are running around in these cities are and are not symptomatic either.
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petegz28 08:55 AM 06-27-2020
Another glass half full take I think is the fact CA has passed NJ for the #2 state in total cases for well over a week now and they have just over 14k less deaths.

I realize it's different living conditions but hopefully that's also a sign we are learning things.
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Donger 08:55 AM 06-27-2020
I guess we get to throw Georgia into the mix.
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O.city 08:57 AM 06-27-2020
Mortality in hospitals has dropped significantly as well so as long as we can keep them from overrunning we’re gonna hopefully be fine there
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DaFace 09:08 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
Places that were hit hard early aren’t hit hard now. Possibly theyve hit enough immunity to slow it way down
It's still hard to believe that could be a factor, but we can certainly hope that's part of it.
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O.city 09:15 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It's still hard to believe that could be a factor, but we can certainly hope that's part of it.
With the findings that mild and asymptomatic infections don’t always show antibody seroconversion, I think there’s some things to the fact that serology studies miss a lot. It’s possible New York and Chicago are already at or close to immunity. When you look at places like Italy and others that were hit hard, the curve down is just to damn similar to be a coincidence in my mind.

The argument against is always the deaths, but I think we’re finding that a lot of that is due to poor planning ie sending people back to nursing homes and age stratification etc.

New York also had issues in the hospitals of incubating early and not having the experience we have today on how to treat this. Same with Lombardy.
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O.city 09:17 AM 06-27-2020
Woth the findings of the T cell stuff, we’re also finding that herd immunity isn’t gonna be a specific number that’s the same everywhere. Just so many factors here.
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chiefzilla1501 09:18 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by O.city:
You’d have had surges earlier if that were solely the case.

In the end, its probably a combination
June is also when some states moved to 50% indoors particularly bars and restaurants. Since the biggest issue seems to be people indoors, close quarters, long periods of time. Doesn't seem a coincidence that majority of surge states reopened more aggressively with minimal enforcement and a dismissive attitude about social distancing and masks.
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stumppy 09:18 AM 06-27-2020
Originally Posted by Chitownchiefsfan:
It is probably a combination but i wonder why the surges are hitting texas, Arizona and Florida so hard and not here in Illinois.

We had massive protests in the 3rd largest city and we haven't had major spikes.
Prepare for a stream of CPDC regulars to berate you with the old fake news, joke science, agenda driven replies.
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