The NFL will not mandate COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, it stands to reason, even with incentives offered to teams and players who are vaccinated, some players aren’t going to get a shot.
Bills quarterback Josh Allen could be one of those. In an appearance on The Ringer’s “10 Questions With Kyle Brandt” podcast, Allen said he has not had a vaccine and might not get one.
“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it. Again, I’d lean the other way, too, if that’s what it said. I haven’t been paying attention to it as much as maybe I should have. I’ve just been doing my thing and masking up when I’m going out and just staying close and hanging around family.”
It is unclear what statistics Allen needs to see to convince him to get a shot. The Pfizer vaccine was shown a 95 percent efficacy rate in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, just 1 percentage point more than Moderna’s. The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was shown to have a 72 percent efficacy rate in the United States in preventing symptomatic illness and an 85 percent efficacy rate in preventing the most severe disease 28 days after vaccination.
Allen, 24, made clear he’s against any kind of mandate.
“I think everybody should have that choice to do it or not to do it,” Allen said. “You get in this tricky situation now where if you do mandate that that’s kind of going against what our constitution says and the freedom to kind of express yourself one way or the other. I think we’re in a time where that’s getting a lot harder to do. Everybody should have that choice.”
However, the league expects to amend certain protocols for those who are vaccinated and for teams as a whole if certain vaccination levels are met, which will encourage (pressure?) players to get a COVID-19 shot.
Originally Posted by MTG#10:
I'm really confused why so many people think that getting this injection is "the right thing to do" and that people who refuse are bad humans.
This is a rushed, non-FDA approved vaccine for a virus with a 99.8% survival rate. Being hesitant, or even flat-out not wanting it at all is PERFECTLY reasonable. If you believe otherwise you're a media-brainwashed butt****ing moron.
It's not a rushed vaccine. It was developed in a short time-frame, but it went through all three trial phases. The reason why it was so quick to develop is we threw every fucking resource and researcher available into its development. Contrast that to developing a new vaccine for something that has almost zero attention from pharmaceutical companies or federal funding (which is basically everything). Researchers don't have the teams to assemble study participants, manage their results, review their findings, and all the other stuff that goes into developing a vaccine that I have no clue about.
For all intents and purposes, the COVID vaccine is the most researched, studied, and critically scrutinized for effectiveness and safety we've ever seen. It just happened in a short amount of time, that's all. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla:
Agreed. I have no desire to dictate someone else's healthcare choices.
I similarly have zero issue with someone being a coward; that's completely their choice.
I've taken the Pfizer vaccine. But to call someone else a coward for not taking it is over the top. This is where stupid people like you should just shut the fuck up. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RealSNR:
It's not a rushed vaccine. It was developed in a short time-frame, but it went through all three trial phases. The reason why it was so quick to develop is we threw every ****ing resource and researcher available into its development. Contrast that to developing a new vaccine for something that has almost zero attention from pharmaceutical companies or federal funding (which is basically everything). Researchers don't have the teams to assemble study participants, manage their results, review their findings, and all the other stuff that goes into developing a vaccine that I have no clue about.
For all intents and purposes, the COVID vaccine is the most researched, studied, and critically scrutinized for effectiveness and safety we've ever seen. It just happened in a short amount of time, that's all.
By rushed I meant tested, poor choice of word on my part. I'm sure it has been well researched and studied, but it hasn't been out long enough to know possible long-term side-effects, thus no official FDA approval. Wanting to wait longer until more long-term use research has been established as well as full FDA approval doesn't make someone a bad person or a "coward". [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
I'm young, healthy in good enough shape, so why did I get vaccinated? Because I care about people who could get sick if I gave it to them. Also:
“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it.
A guy who isn't sure about getting a vaccine doesn't strike me as someone who is "into statistics".
Originally Posted by BigBeauford:
I'm young, healthy in good enough shape, so why did I get vaccinated? Because I care about people who could get sick if I gave it to them. Also:
“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it.
A guy who isn't sure about getting a vaccine doesn't strike me as someone who is "into statistics".
Getting vaccinated doesn’t lower your chances of spreading it to others though..... Are you unaware of how this disease and it’s vaccine operates? [Reply]
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
Getting vaccinated doesn’t lower your chances of spreading it to others though..... Are you unaware of how this disease and it’s vaccine operates?
That's just a dumb narrative because of the whole "you should still wear a mask" thing and I'm sure the media running with an agenda because science wasn't 100% sure about something.... AFAIK, studies haven't been done on viral load post-vaccination and if it prevents spread, but those studies are underway and the early results are pointing towards the vaccines lowering chances of spreading it to others (not sure about each one individually). [Reply]
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
Getting vaccinated doesn’t lower your chances of spreading it to others though..... Are you unaware of how this disease and it’s vaccine operates?
Originally Posted by Chief Pagan:
Yes, I remember some good freak outs with mandatory seat belt laws.
One of the more nuanced arguments was that if your car wrecked and caught on fire: having to unbuckle your seat belt would slow you down as you tried to exit your car.
My granpappy lost an eye, and the ol' lady down the street sacrificed two sons to The Great Seatbelt Noncompliance Brawls. [Reply]
The CDC acknowledged this week that the risk of getting the coronavirus from surfaces is low. "There’s really no evidence that anyone has ever gotten Covid-19 by touching a contaminated surface," said an expert on airborne viruses. https://t.co/faxXNgRO9J
Originally Posted by MTG#10:
By rushed I meant tested, poor choice of word on my part. I'm sure it has been well researched and studied, but it hasn't been out long enough to know possible long-term side-effects, thus no official FDA approval. Wanting to wait longer until more long-term use research has been established as well as full FDA approval doesn't make someone a bad person or a "coward".
Why do you trust the fda more than who or the cdc or any other federal organization, they are not the good standard for safety , they regulate cigarettes , vaping artificial dyes/ flavour etc there are plenty of things you ingest daily worse for your health than this vaccine , they used ingredients and technology used in humans before .
The testing had more to do with efficacy than safety , the people who created it were most likely the first ones to take . [Reply]
