Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Elway won the MVP in 87 while Montana was first team all pro...Elway was actually never 1st team all pro.
That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand.
A lot of similar complaints about MVP vs OPotY as well. You'd think the MVP would be the OPotY every time. [Reply]
I remember listening to an episode of New Heights and the Kelce Brothers called the MVP award as Most Valuable Passer. I wonder if any non QB ever wins that award again and if so what would it take. I believe that had Jefferson broken Megatron’s receiving record he still would not have finished higher that 3 or 4 in the voting. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand.
Drew Brees: 1 Fran Tarkenton: 1 Matt Ryan: 1 Cam Newton: 1 Jim Kelly: 1 Terry Bradshaw: 1 Joe Namath: 1 Russell Wilson: 0 Ben Roethlisberger: 0 Philip Rivers: 0 Matt Stafford: 0 Troy Aikman: 0 Warren Moon: 0 John Elway: 0
Drew Brees: 1 Fran Tarkenton: 1 Matt Ryan: 1 Cam Newton: 1 Jim Kelly: 1 Terry Bradshaw: 1 Joe Namath: 1 Russell Wilson: 0 Ben Roethlisberger: 0 Philip Rivers: 0 Matt Stafford: 0 Troy Aikman: 0 Warren Moon: 0 John Elway: 0
Originally Posted by ptlyon:
Reread it. It's not the bills I'm "piss pants scared" about.
Seriously...if you watched the Pats Bills game Sunday...you got a little taste of what's coming.
That missed offsides call was one of the worst I've ever seen. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
Read what Mecca wrote and my response to that. How could Elway be good enough to win MVP, but not be first team All Pro.
Originally Posted by crispystl:
Seriously...if you watched the Pats Bills game Sunday...you got a little taste of what's coming.
That missed offsides call was one of the worst I've ever seen.
It wasn’t the missed offsides call that cost the Pats that game. It was giving up not one, but two kickoff returns for TDs. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tredadda:
That is so weird to me. I can’t see how you could be good enough to be considered the MVP of the league, but not good enough to be first team All Pro. It seems like the two should go hand in hand.
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Elway won the MVP in 87 while Montana was first team all pro...Elway was actually never 1st team all pro.
It looks like the all pro voters recognized a mediocre quarterback when they saw one. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin:
I didn't figure it would be unanimous, though. Knew there would be a couple reeruns who voted for Hurts. Allen may even get a sympathy vote.
There isn't a single stat or narrative you can point to that would make Allen your MVP over Mahomes.
Mahomes had more total yards, higher completion %, higher passer rating, higher YPA, fewer INTs, fewer fumbles, more wins, #1 seed.
I mean, I suppose Allen's got the head-to-head over Mahomes but that is all I can think of. Burrow's got a stronger MVP case than Allen at this point. [Reply]
