Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Hospital Utilization: ICU beds usage went up 76% to 79%. Inpatient bed occupancy shot up 78% to 83%. Hospitalizations for positive or suspected COVID-19 patients ticked up by 1%. Intubations increased by about 25% since yesterday. Ventilators in use shot up from 641 to 979, largest spike to date (could be weird data since number of vents available only went down by 40).
In my state these are shooting up because of elective surgeries. [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
The mildly symptomatic people are a large problem. If they’re having mild symptoms and thinking it’s something like allergies, mask wearing could help slow the spread of these people in the community if they were wearing masks. These people don’t have enough symptoms to think about getting tested and many are going on about their daily lives not realizing they’re spreading it. Even if mask wearing helps as poorly as you think (you’re wrong), even if it was a measly 5% difference in spread, you’d still do a lot of good having everyone wearing masks. You treat EVERYONE like they have it so the spread can be less, this helps stop the spread from presymptomatic and mildly symptomatic.
This is as simple as I can make it.
I realize you’ll come up with some retarded argument, however.
You don't know that they are spreading it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Thank you, everyone, for mostly keeping pete out of DC. We are going to send a BBQ tray to this thread as a token of our gratitude.
Go play ANTIFA or whatever it is you do... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Eleazar:
Thank you, everyone, for mostly keeping pete out of DC. We are going to send a BBQ tray to this thread as a token of our gratitude.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
You don't know that they are spreading it.
People with mild symptoms are spreading it. Many have mild symptoms for 3-7 days, not even knowing they have it, before their symptoms may ramp up significantly. How is that even debatable to you?! [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
People with mild symptoms are spreading it. Many have mild symptoms for 3-7 days, not even knowing they have it, before their symptoms may ramp up significantly. How is that even debatable to you?!
Mild symptoms I would tend to agree. Now define mild symptoms for me. Were your symptoms really symptoms from Covid or from allergies? I seem to recall you stating the other day you have the same symptoms if not even worse and it's from allergies.
See where I am going with this? When you claim every symptom under the sun is a symptom of X then you frame things to always be in your favor. Truth is bro, you think you know how you got it buy you don't know. You don't know if your "mild symptoms" were from Covid or allergies though you think you know.
And that was my point to begin with. One day the WHO is saying asymptomatic is not spreading and the next well, maybe, sorat but no but yes.
We don't know. We think masks help and in cases I am sure they do. To what degree though we think we know but it is just that, an educated guess and nothing more. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Mild symptoms I would tend to agree. Now define mild symptoms for me. Were your symptoms really symptoms from Covid or from allergies? I seem to recall you stating the other day you have the same symptoms if not even worse and it's from allergies.
See where I am going with this? When you claim every symptom under the sun is a symptom of X then you frame things to always be in your favor. Truth is bro, you think you know how you got it buy you don't know. You don't know if your "mild symptoms" were from Covid or allergies though you think you know.
And that was my point to begin with. One day the WHO is saying asymptomatic is not spreading and the next well, maybe, sorat but no but yes.
We don't know. We think masks help and in cases I am sure they do. To what degree though we think we know but it is just that, an educated guess and nothing more.
I am talking about mild cases.
The 2 therapists I had were mild into severe cases, one needing hospitalization.
Started with nasal congestion one afternoon at work. Next day she calls and said it's still there. Luckily I was her boss and not your dumbass. I tell her with all the things going on she should stay home and can't come in. Nasal congestion continues into day 3 and she reports it feeling like allergies, asks to come to work, and her temp is only 98.8. I again tell her she should stay home. Slightly after the 72 hour mark from the start of the nasal congestion her fever spikes to 101 and the rest is history. She is a 25 year old female who had symptoms out to 17 days and required 2 trips to the ER for hydration due to the fever/vomiting.
If she was an idiot like you and going out in the community not wearing a mask those first 3 days, she would have been spreading it. There's no debate there. Masks wouldn't prevent spread 100% but when combined with social distancing absolutely slow the spread in many community settings. And since you don't know if these symptoms are from allergies or COVID, I simply always wear a mask when I am in public.
/Can this be the final, simple explanation I give you into why people must wear masks? [Reply]
Originally Posted by lewdog:
I am talking about mild cases.
The 2 therapists I had were mild into severe cases, one needing hospitalization.
Started with nasal congestion one afternoon at work. Next day she calls and said it's still there. Luckily I was her boss and not your dumbass. I tell her with all the things going on she should stay home and can't come in. Nasal congestion continues into day 3 and she reports it feeling like allergies, asks to come to work, and her temp is only 98.8. I again tell her she should stay home. Slightly after the 72 hour mark from the start of the nasal congestion her fever spikes to 101 and the rest is history. She is a 25 year old female who had symptoms out to 17 days and required 2 trips to the ER for hydration due to the fever/vomiting.
If she was an idiot like you and going out in the community not wearing a mask those first 3 days, she would have been spreading it. There's no debate there. Masks wouldn't prevent spread 100% but when combined with social distancing absolutely slow the spread in many community settings. And since you don't know if these symptoms are from allergies or COVID, I simply always wear a mask when I am in public.
/Can this be the final, simple explanation I give you into why people must wear masks?
I can't wait until Pete has surgery. I want to be in the operating theater when he tells everyone to take off their masks because they really don't do anything..... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Fat Elvis:
I can't wait until Pete has surgery. I want to be in the operating theater when he tells everyone to take off their masks because they really don't do anything.....
