Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by staylor26:
He didn’t say it wasn’t and was clearly justifying it.
He said that protesting was going to increase numbers and followed it by saying protesting police brutality was a better cause than protesting a haircut...that doesn't really sound like he's saying it's ok.
While a better cause the end result will be the same the numbers go up, is that a hard concept to understand? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
He said that protesting was going to increase numbers and followed it by saying protesting police brutality was a better cause than protesting a haircut...that doesn't really sound like he's saying it's ok.
While a better cause the end result will be the same the numbers go up, is that a hard concept to understand?
You just don’t get it. It’s either alright or it’s not the cause is irrelevant. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
He said that protesting was going to increase numbers and followed it by saying protesting police brutality was a better cause than protesting a haircut...that doesn't really sound like he's saying it's ok.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
He didn’t say it wasn’t and was clearly justifying it. It either isn’t or it is. Science doesn’t care about social justice.
Originally Posted by staylor26:
You just don’t get it. It’s either alright or it’s not the cause is irrelevant.
No, you don't get it.
I said if people are out there they need to be wearing masks and distancing as much as possible because it's sound public health.
In fact, here's what I said:
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
This is not over.
People should be wearing masks and distancing themselves. It's sound public health.
There is also a degree of difference in gathering in large groups to demonstrate anger over someone being murdered by a police officer and gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut, but continue with the false equivalency.
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
No, you don't get it.
I said if people are out there they need to be wearing masks and distancing as much as possible because it's sound public health.
In fact, here's what I said:
It’s not about what you said.
It’s about what you didn’t/won’t say and your blatant hypocrisy.
And regardless of what you’re saying they should do, they aren’t, so will you admit that it’s the most detrimental thing people in the US have done in the fight against COVID? [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
It’s not about what you said.
It’s about what you didn’t/won’t say and your blatant hypocrisy.
And regardless of what you’re saying they should do, they aren’t, so will you admit that it’s the most detrimental thing people in the US have done in the fight against COVID?
nb4 "lockdown one week earlier could have saved _____ number of lives" [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
It’s not about what you said.
It’s about what you didn’t and won’t say and you’re blatant hypocrisy.
Oh, really?
Well what exactly is unclear about saying that this isn't over, and that people need to still wear masks and distance from one another when they're out?
What is unclear about the difference between protesting someone's murder and protesting your desire for a haircut? The two are so wildly apart that the idea of comparing them is to enter the realm of the insane. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
And regardless of what you’re saying they should do, they aren’t, so will you admit that it’s the most detrimental thing people in the US have done in the fight against COVID?
What part of "this is not over," and "wearing masks and distancing should still occur," is lost upon you?
Of course this is going to lead to a large increase in cases. That is inarguable. [Reply]
Well what exactly is unclear about saying that this isn't over, and that people need to still wear masks and distance from one another when they're out?
What is unclear about the difference between protesting someone's murder and protesting your desire for a haircut? The two are so wildly apart that the idea of comparing them is to enter the realm of the insane.
I was never talking about protesting wanting a haircut. I was talking about people like you vilifying people that wanted to continue to live their lives under reasonable social distancing measures AFTER doing their part in flattening the curve (like getting a haircut in a barbershop with less than 10 people while following reasonable social distancing measures).
You clearly thought somebody just wanting to go to the gym was a selfish POS.
Stop pretending like it’s just the protestors that you all were shaming. [Reply]
Originally Posted by staylor26:
I was never talking about protesting wanting a haircut. I was talking about people like you vilifying people that wanted to continue to live their lives under reasonable social distancing measures (like getting a haircut in a barbershop with less than 10 people and reasonable social distancing measures).
Stop pretending like it’s just the protestors that you all were shaming.
Your inability to read and comprehend the content of my posts is a "you" problem.
When I say, "people gathering in large groups to get drunk or bitch about a haircut," it should be pretty clear that I'm referring to people gathering in large groups for anyone with a degree of functional literacy.
You sit here and talk about hypocrisy and subtext and you can't even read simple, declarative statements with any degree of understanding. Maybe you're full of shit. Maybe you're stupid. Maybe both. I don't really care. Go pick a fight with someone else. [Reply]
