Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by DaFace:
It would absolutely never work, but ignoring that...
I halfway think that everyone under age 50 who doesn't otherwise have any health issues should just gather in public spaces, infect each other, suffer for two weeks, and then resume our normal lives. We'd practically create herd immunity in two weeks.
I know you are partly trolling but not everyone under 50 has a mild version.
Different people are throwing different numbers around but it sounds like 5%+ of those under 50 might end up needing hospitalization.
Italy is currently treating patients in warehouses and some patients are being left to die for a lack of ventilators.
If you are in Italy it would be a really bad time to need an emergency appendix operation or any other somewhat routine emergencies. At least car crashes are presumably reduced by the lockdown.
Originally Posted by Iowanian:
Why is it that all of the people who don't think you need 100 rounds of ammo, are buying 500 rounds of buttwipe?
If I were a manufacturer, I think I'd start a twitter rumor that my product was running low and in high demand from hoarders.....boom.
I live in LA. What am I going to do - outgun the street gangs if society breaks down? The only place for me to run is the ocean. I'll just accept my fate. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Spott:
Supposedly the virus doesn’t spread well where it’s hot and humid. It was 87 today and it’s supposed to get below 80 anytime soon.
Originally Posted by O.city:
I actually read an article about that in an immunological journal I stumbled across. Theoretically if we isolate and don't get this less virulent strain, there could be a lessening of cases over the summer, then in the fall it mutates to more virulent and we have no resistance.
IIRC, the Spanish Flu was similar.
If it lessons over summer it will very likely be back in the fall.
But it may not mutate or it could get less virulent. We may have better treatments by then and the world would certainly have more ventilators and trained operators by then. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
The store I visited yesterday was low on fresh fruit and vegetables, while the frozen section was wiped clean.
I'm hoping that most people are stocking up this week/weekend and the shelves will be back to normal late next week.
Your description sounded pretty bad. I went to the store here in KCMO and there were a couple of sections that were wiped or picked over (beans, toilet paper, etc.) but it wasn't too bad. I wonder what people in NYC and other similar urban areas experience in times like these? Their stores are so small and can't have much stock on hand. [Reply]
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
Oh and I drove around looking for toilet paper last night (because we were low....not because I’m a fucking idiot doomsday prepper). Every store completely out. I finally found 6 rolls at a gas station.
I hope every moron that bought out the stores....gets the virus.
Totally this. Fuck all pussy preppers. Now there will be a run on bidets. Stupid lemming fuckers. We all have to shit. [Reply]
They have the proteins and receptors pretty much down so treatment for it will be around soon enough plus it's only pretty much killing old people so once most of the hosts are dead the people who survive become immune the virus pretty much dies down. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
That's my guess. At least for now, the supply chain is fine. We just need a couple weeks for everything to get back to stores.
There’s going to be toilet paper sitting on the shelves for a year once they restock. [Reply]
Our store was out of fucking SPAM. I am one of the few on the planet that actually like it. I know damn well none of these fucking preppers are going to eat it. It will sit in their basement on a shelf for the next 22 years next to 5000 rolls of toilet paper. Fuck you. [Reply]
