Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by Mecca:
This is something that does get discussed around here every now and then. I have a theory as to why this board leans the way it does to be honest.
It's actually pretty standard stuff. I've been here since 2003 so by and large the board tends to skew middle age to older. I would wager if you took an age poll 70% at minimum that post here are at least 35 and honestly that number might stay that high as you increased. It's also a forum based around a midwestern sports team, the midwest has a general set of beliefs for the most part, especially outside of cities.
We basically have a lot of older posters, lots of rural area posters, and frankly this is still the bible belt so we have that too. And we know how all of that sways..We're also in a time where things are being taken to levels of a bunch of genders, the way you talk, etc etc.
So I think we have a good number of posters who are basically pushing back really hard because to them where we are in the world is an attack on who they are as people. So this generally means agreeing with some really minority opinions or taking things to inane levels to try to prove a point.
I personally have said a hundred times I think identity politics which is basically what this is, is the worst shit ever and causes this type of stuff. We can no longer find common ground to have the greater good for all, now everything is a fucking pissing contest until someone feels like they got fucked. [Reply]
It's actually pretty standard stuff. I've been here since 2003 so by and large the board tends to skew middle age to older. I would wager if you took an age poll 70% at minimum that post here are at least 35 and honestly that number might stay that high as you increased. It's also a forum based around a midwestern sports team, the midwest has a general set of beliefs for the most part, especially outside of cities.
We basically have a lot of older posters, lots of rural area posters, and frankly this is still the bible belt so we have that too. And we know how all of that sways..We're also in a time where things are being taken to levels of a bunch of genders, the way you talk, etc etc.
So I think we have a good number of posters who are basically pushing back really hard because to them where we are in the world is an attack on who they are as people. So this generally means agreeing with some really minority opinions or taking things to inane levels to try to prove a point.
I personally have said a hundred times I think identity politics which is basically what this is, is the worst shit ever and causes this type of stuff. We can no longer find common ground to have the greater good for all, now everything is a ****ing pissing contest until someone feels like they got ****ed.
It's actually pretty standard stuff. I've been here since 2003 so by and large the board tends to skew middle age to older. I would wager if you took an age poll 70% at minimum that post here are at least 35 and honestly that number might stay that high as you increased. It's also a forum based around a midwestern sports team, the midwest has a general set of beliefs for the most part, especially outside of cities.
We basically have a lot of older posters, lots of rural area posters, and frankly this is still the bible belt so we have that too. And we know how all of that sways..We're also in a time where things are being taken to levels of a bunch of genders, the way you talk, etc etc.
So I think we have a good number of posters who are basically pushing back really hard because to them where we are in the world is an attack on who they are as people. So this generally means agreeing with some really minority opinions or taking things to inane levels to try to prove a point.
I personally have said a hundred times I think identity politics which is basically what this is, is the worst shit ever and causes this type of stuff. We can no longer find common ground to have the greater good for all, now everything is a fucking pissing contest until someone feels like they got fucked.
Tldr
Just kidding, thanks for taking the time to write that [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
TBH our common ground is the Chiefs
To be perfectly honest I have views that sway to both sides yet I get called a liberal constantly. I personally think both sides take things to completely ridiculous levels and instead of being a nation full of sensitive twats and over reactionary dumbasses maybe we can you know find a middle place. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
I'm saying the CDC didn't even use those studies because they pulled all their fatality information from US cases in the month of March. It's in the footnotes.
More information = less uncertainty.
If you look at data in New York City, around 25% have antibodies. That means there have been 2,000,000 infections in that city alone. Of those we have around 16,000 deaths now (and those deaths and infections will climb, as they both have lag time, but deaths and antibody development are relatively close in overall time).
16,000/2,000,000 is a 0.8% IFR
Spain sampled 90,000 people over 36,000 households and found 5% were infected, which extrapolated to a 1.1% IFR.
You also have to realize that models have degrees of uncertainty. 0.4 is their best estimate, it's not their prediction. It can range from 0.2 to 1.0. If it's 0.9, the model isn't wrong.
I know what you are saying. I understand models and what a best estimate represents. What I am trying to say is that the CDC is likely more than aware of any study that you might mention given that they do this for a living. Perhaps they have issues with these studies or they believe the studies do not accurately reflect what is going on in the United States when viewed as a whole. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
To be perfectly honest I have views that sway to both sides yet I get called a liberal constantly. I personally think both sides take things to completely ridiculous levels and instead of being a nation full of sensitive twats and over reactionary dumbasses maybe we can you know find a middle place.
That doesn't sell, if you catch what I'm saying. Things are made far worse than they really are in reality all the time.
Happens when media corporations consolidate into 4/6. I miss the days of the Sherman Act. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
That doesn't sell, if you catch what I'm saying. Things are made far worse than they really are in reality all the time.
Happens when media corporations consolidate into 4/6. I miss the days of the Sherman Act.
I don't watch the news, I know what it is. Every single country out there is selling a bill of goods whether it is on tv or through the schools. History is written by the winners is a phrase that exists for a reason. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
To be perfectly honest I have views that sway to both sides yet I get called a liberal constantly. I personally think both sides take things to completely ridiculous levels and instead of being a nation full of sensitive twats and over reactionary dumbasses maybe we can you know find a middle place.
That died with the Fairness Doctrine, opinion taking the place of news, and the move of each party to the absolute fringes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
That died with the Fairness Doctrine, opinion taking the place of news, and the move of each party to the absolute fringes.
Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15:
That died with the Fairness Doctrine, opinion taking the place of news, and the move of each party to the absolute fringes.
The opinion as news stuff was a massive blow, to much of our country is uneducated and easily manipulated for that to ever have a good result.
For the history of America yes our parties are now sitting on the fringes. It goes a bit more murky if you just start doing a comparison sake around the rest of the 1st world though, that kinda open your eyes a bit on where we sit and where things could go. [Reply]
