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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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mr. tegu 04:17 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Unfortunately, Los Angeles and San Fran remain under lockdown until August and Newsom still says no fans at sporting events until there's a vaccine.

This condition would seem to imply a requirement to be vaccinated to go to the events. I’m sure that will work out well.
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Spott 04:25 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
What's the point of TSA Pre then?
It normally only takes a couple of minutes from the time I arrive at the airport until I get through security with pre-check, but for whatever reason they were trying to pat down everyone and touch all of their personal belongings as much as possible at a time when that should probably be kept to a minimum.
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petegz28 04:27 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
So Pete, what do you want to bet there will be a vaccine? (I'll keep trying to reinforce reasonable thought by offering wagers)
Like I said, if we get one.

Originally Posted by :
Some scientists fear that an effective coronavirus vaccine may prove impossible to produce.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coro...s-covid-2020-4

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DaneMcCloud 04:45 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Like I said, if we get one.
Scientists have learned quite a bit about this virus since April 25th and some companies are already claiming success against the virus in early clinical testing.

I'm unconcerned about scientists creating a vaccine and more concerned about its availability in the near future.
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petegz28 04:56 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
Scientists have learned quite a bit about this virus since April 25th and some companies are already claiming success against the virus in early clinical testing.

I'm unconcerned about scientists creating a vaccine and more concerned about its availability in the near future.
I wish I was as confident as you are in that. I do hope we get one and things appear promising but I guess until I actually see that we have an effective one I will always go with if vs. when.
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notorious 05:05 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Yup,

Her husband tried to go boating, and was stopped by some other citizens. The irony of how some certain states have handled this compared to other states cannot be understated.
Originally Posted by Donger:
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireSt...water-70882659
:-)

:-)
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DaneMcCloud 05:05 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I wish I was as confident as you are in that. I do hope we get one and things appear promising but I guess until I actually see that we have an effective one I will always go with if vs. when.
There are more than 100 labs around the world working towards a safe and effective vaccine and the US has already announced a $1.2 billion dollar grant to AstraZeneca to develop a vaccine at Oxford University.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/h...trazeneca.html

The deal with AstraZeneca is the fourth and by far the largest vaccine research agreement that the department has disclosed. The money will pay for a Phase 3 clinical trial of a potential vaccine in the United States this summer with about 30,000 volunteers.

The H.H.S. statement said the agency and AstraZeneca “are collaborating to make available at least 300 million doses,” and projected that the first doses could be available as early as October.

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petegz28 05:16 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud:
There are more than 100 labs around the world working towards a safe and effective vaccine and the US has already announced a $1.2 billion dollar grant to AstraZeneca to develop a vaccine at Oxford University.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/21/h...trazeneca.html

The deal with AstraZeneca is the fourth and by far the largest vaccine research agreement that the department has disclosed. The money will pay for a Phase 3 clinical trial of a potential vaccine in the United States this summer with about 30,000 volunteers.

The H.H.S. statement said the agency and AstraZeneca “are collaborating to make available at least 300 million doses,” and projected that the first doses could be available as early as October.
I'm very well aware just gonna wait until we actually see it.
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petegz28 05:20 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
:-)

:-)
I don't understand this woman or her extension of the lock down there. They are well, well below their projections and their numbers are all going in the right direction. It just starts to come off as she is going to let everyone know who is in charge.
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POND_OF_RED 05:37 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Wearing a mask is such an easy, cost effective and simple strategy that it does not cause undue hardships to anyone. In World War 2 and Vietnam they mandated certain citizens to go to war and that was perfectly acceptable. But requiring people to wear a mask is overstepping the boundaries?

Go back and look at the War Powers Act of 1941 for WW2 and see what things were implemented there. Compare that to now. We have it good my friends. What you are being asked to do is not unreasonable.
:-)Way to try and change the narrative. That’s not the point and you know it. The problem is you’re wanting those masks to ALL be N95 masks. That’s when it becomes ridiculously neurotic and nearly logistically impossible
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Mr_Tomahawk 06:13 PM 05-26-2020
Is it over yet?
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B_Ambuehl 06:26 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by jdubya:
Do you think mitigation could have been effective without shutting everything down?
No real evidence lockdowns are any more effective than social distancing:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...ese-lockdowns/

Likely places like NY city would have required social distancing along with masks (like japan, singapore, & s. korea none of which locked down & still did better than even the best U.S state) but Fauci et. al screwed the pooch on that one early on by telling people masks don't work.

Simple universal mask wearing likely would do better than either social distancing or lockdowns. Pretty much what they did in Japan, but they're used to having to wear masks there: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf
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BigCatDaddy 06:27 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk:
Is it over yet?
Pretty much.
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petegz28 06:30 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl:
No real evidence lockdowns are any more effective than social distancing:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...ese-lockdowns/

Likely places like NY city would have required social distancing along with masks (like japan, singapore, & s. korea none of which locked down & still did better than even the best U.S state) but Fauci et. al screwed the pooch on that one early on by telling people masks don't work.

Simple universal mask wearing likely would do better than either social distancing or lockdowns. Pretty much what they did in Japan, but they're used to having to wear masks there: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf
I haven't read your link yet but I don't think mask wearing is more effective than social distancing in practice simply because people do dumb shit while wearing a mask that negates the point of wearing a mask.
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BWillie 06:35 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by B_Ambuehl:
No real evidence lockdowns are any more effective than social distancing:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/0...ese-lockdowns/

Likely places like NY city would have required social distancing along with masks (like japan, singapore, & s. korea none of which locked down & still did better than even the best U.S state) but Fauci et. al screwed the pooch on that one early on by telling people masks don't work.

Simple universal mask wearing likely would do better than either social distancing or lockdowns. Pretty much what they did in Japan, but they're used to having to wear masks there: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2004.13553.pdf
Agreed, I think, with what you are presenting. But shit, try getting people in the Midwest to wear a mask to the supermarket without freaking out. They are super pissed...about wearing covering that goes over their mouth and nose. Won't even do it for their country.
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