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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BigCatDaddy 12:37 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
There is no doubt leaders in some areas took things way too far.

Some of the rules in Michigan were flat-out insane. They didn't help with stopping the spread, they only assisted in pissing off people and nudging them to rebel.
Did you see her husband tried getting a boat out this weekend which violated her order. Poor Michigan peasants.
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Monticore 12:41 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Who knew dip shit governors were sending infected patients into nursing homes?
The mistake Italy made was admitting too many covid patients in hospital, it was a no win situation, if patients are healthy enough to go home you discharge them , unfortunately their home s are full of at risk people keeping them in hospital is a risks as well and some hospitals needed the spots .
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F150 12:42 PM 05-26-2020
This from Book of Faces:


The "pool party" at the Lake of the Ozarks is being reported in some very misleading ways. My question was, "Who posted the original video?" So. Little digging. A Phoenix reporter interviewed several establishment owners on the Thursday before Memorial Day weekend and posted some of his interview clips on Thursday evening and Friday. Establishments were taking temperatures before allowing people to enter and tubs of hand sanitizers were kept in multiple locations. It is clear that the intent of the reporter was to see how "social distancing" played out during the weekend. And, the entire world now believes that the Lake and Osage Beach had absolutely "zero regard" for CDC guidelines.
Let me just say: (1) the initial visual of the pool party looks bad; (2) once again, the mass media is filling people's eyes and minds with biased coverage; (3) the Lake traffic masses come from metro/urban areas...for the most part...from St. Louis and W Illinois, Kansas City and E Kansas, Des Moines, Iowa, and E Nebraska cities like Omaha and Lincoln; (4) one is more likely to come away from the Lake parties with a sexually transmitted disease.
While I don't have a dog in this race, I think there are bigger fish to fry with Covid-19. It is more likely that folks will come into contact with the virus on the way to or from the Lake. Sun, humid and hot air, bleach are all deterrents to the virus. The pool party had sun, hot and humid air, and chlorinated water in the pool. The Lake is a perennial cesspool for E. coli since people pee and poop in the Lake at while. There's more to be worried about than Covid-19.
Here's the link to the original reporter story and embedded are some of his before the "pool party" event.
https://www.kshb.com/…/partygoer-des...he-ozar…

Meanwhile, we have to carry on with life. History has proven that one cannot fix stupid. And that stupidity runs both ways...tourism and media traps. Many more rural areas across the USA are cancelling community rodeos and some communities are moving ahead with rodeo season plans. Liability insurance and fiscal breakevens are a concern for the smaller venue rodeos. Plus, animal activists are ratcheting up their game plans to target rodeo and agriculture events (like county and state fairs). I hope people just admit that propaganda is now more at play than ever before. My hope is, "This too shall pass."
I'll be home working and taking advantage of my social distancing and personal health.
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jdubya 12:52 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The mistake Italy made was admitting too many covid patients in hospital, it was a no win situation, if patients are healthy enough to go home you discharge them , unfortunately their home s are full of at risk people keeping them in hospital is a risks as well and some hospitals needed the spots .
Or maybe the mayor of Florence should have thought of something else..........lol

https://in.news.yahoo.com/italy-laun...065339340.html
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notorious 12:54 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Did you see her husband tried getting a boat out this weekend which violated her order. Poor Michigan peasants.
No shit?


:-)
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petegz28 12:54 PM 05-26-2020
New NIH Study: Transmissibility of COVID-19 by Asymptomatic Carriers Is Weak

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7219423/

Originally Posted by :
Results
The median contact time for patients was four days and that for family members was five days. Cardiovascular disease accounted for 25% among original diseases of patients. Apart from hospital staffs, both patients and family members were isolated medically. During the quarantine, seven patients plus one family member appeared new respiratory symptoms, where fever was the most common one. The blood counts in most contacts were within a normal range. All CT images showed no sign of COVID-19 infection. No severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infections was detected in 455 contacts by nucleic acid test.

Conclusion
In summary, all the 455 contacts were excluded from SARS-CoV-2 infection and we conclude that the infectivity of some asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 carriers might be weak.
Edit: :-) I just noticed how CP translated the link. I did not do that and the link works but :-)


Someone wanna translate???
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BWillie 01:06 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
I see you’re here to boast about provisional numbers. Are you going to address your overreactive opinion that everyone should wear N95 masks even if healthy as well or are you still sticking with this idiotic belief?
Yes, I do believe everyone should wear N95 masks if out in public gatherings of any kind, if supply is available. Many companies go through hundreds of N95 masks a day. Mitigation & environmental companies probably go through thousands a day.

We should ramp up as much production of these masks as possible if supply will limit their use in the general population.

I'm willing to concede in the summer humid months that perhaps mask use can be diminished if smaller gatherings and also when outside as I believe circulated air & wind diminishes the concentration of the virus, but as soon as cold and flu season is imminent every one should be wearing a mask everywhere they go.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 01:07 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
New NIH Study: Transmissibility of COVID-19 by Asymptomatic Carriers Is Weak

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7219423/



Edit: :-) I just noticed how CP translated the link. I did not do that and the link works but :-)


Someone wanna translate???
One asymptomatic person had 455 contacts (very loosely defined) and none of them developed COVID-19.

The patient's lab values were all within normal limits.

A quick perusal of her contacts suggests that most of them weren't really contacts at all. Half of the contacts were ED staff, who were wearing full protective gear including N95 masks, gowns, and goggles.

It also says that 196 of her contacts were family members, but doesn't state how long or how close they were in contact.

I don't think this is of any real value at all.
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POND_OF_RED 01:18 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Yes, I do believe everyone should wear N95 masks if out in public gatherings of any kind, if supply is available. Many companies go through hundreds of N95 masks a day. Mitigation & environmental companies probably go through thousands a day.

We should ramp up as much production of these masks as possible if supply will limit their use in the general population.

I'm willing to concede in the summer humid months that perhaps mask use can be diminished if smaller gatherings and also when outside as I believe circulated air & wind diminishes the concentration of the virus, but as soon as cold and flu season is imminent every one should be wearing a mask everywhere they go.
Thank you.

I mean neurotic ideas like this are popping up everywhere. So yes, while I agree some people definitely under reacted these types of overreactions aren’t the way to counterbalance that.
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BleedingRed 01:44 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
No shit?


:-)
Yup,

Her husband tried to go boating, and was stopped by some other citizens. The irony of how some certain states have handled this compared to other states cannot be understated.
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Donger 01:47 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
No shit?


:-)
https://abcnews.go.com/Travel/wireSt...water-70882659
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Donger 01:51 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy:
Did you see her husband tried getting a boat out this weekend which violated her order. Poor Michigan peasants.
No, it didn't. That expired about a month ago.
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dirk digler 01:52 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by notorious:
There is no doubt leaders in some areas took things way too far.

Some of the rules in Michigan were flat-out insane. They didn't help with stopping the spread, they only assisted in pissing off people and nudging them to rebel.

It has been a complete failure of leadership from the get go.
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BleedingRed 01:53 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
No, it didn't. That expired about a month ago.
It was retarded from the start, exactly how close do boats get in the water?
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ChiTown 01:54 PM 05-26-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Yes, I do believe everyone should wear N95 masks if out in public gatherings of any kind, if supply is available. Many companies go through hundreds of N95 masks a day. Mitigation & environmental companies probably go through thousands a day.

We should ramp up as much production of these masks as possible if supply will limit their use in the general population.

I'm willing to concede in the summer humid months that perhaps mask use can be diminished if smaller gatherings and also when outside as I believe circulated air & wind diminishes the concentration of the virus, but as soon as cold and flu season is imminent every one should be wearing a mask everywhere they go.
Just so I understand your POV....

Your take is, no matter the geography or where the outbreaks are occurring, there should be standardized rules for masking up when out and about during C & F season?
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