Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED:
Okay. So we’ll all anxiously await the RCT data that we’re all so familiar with then. Thank you almighty Hamas.
Just so you know most of those patients leaving whatever pharmacy you work at aren’t leaving because they’re trolls. They’re leaving because you’re an asshole and it’s likely not hard to find a pharmacist just as smart across town that will actually help them without trying to prove their intellectual superiority. Most pharmacists signed up to be helpful and give back to their community. It’s easy to spot the ones that just love to wear their white coats to feel superior. I unfortunately have to work with a few more asshole pharmacists like you than I’d like to.
I hope you’re at least giving legitimate info for Covid fatality rates in children to worried parents and not withholding that info from them just so that you can promote more social distancing. That’s all I was trying to say by bringing up that the flu is more deadly than the coronavirus in children. Most parents have a tendency to overreact when their children’s safety is involved so hopefully most parents are at least at ease more nowadays with the research we have in front of us and they aren’t overreacting thinking this is a danger to their kids.
IMVHO I would be cautious in stating any facts regarding children until we know more. We are seeing an uptick in inflammatory disease in children across the country and CDC issuing an emergency alert in regards to it all the while kids aren't back in school yet and locked down with their parents.
By fall we should really know and hopefully they will stay largely unaffected.
Social distancing /masks might be still in place and JP Morgan might be looking at lockdowns from a different perspective which is understandable. [Reply]
Talked to one of our security guards that has been working one of our drive up, testing tents. He said you would be surprised at how many times you hear the nurses say "this one is going to be a negative" 2 seconds after they pull the swab out of the nose. They can only push the swab in as far as the patient will let them and I guess a good chunk of those people just simply can't take it and tell them nurse to stop before the swab gets where it needs to go.
I am sure that lends itself to some of the false negatives we are always hearing about. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
You asked me a question, I answered it. You said that you were familiar with the terms, then say you're a layperson. You ask me the same question, I answer it again. You conflate data of one subgroup with the whole, and act like that is what the entire public draws its information from, when such a claim is an anachronism. You ask me the question yet another time, and I answer it again.
Regarding the rest of your screed: I don't work in community, but while parents do tend to overreact, it's also not something where you should be spiking the football on given the inflammatory syndrome that is becoming more known.
I'm not going to apologize for losing patience with someone with such pitiful reading comprehension who plays dumb or smart depending upon how it suits their argument. You've either been willfully dishonest or flat out stupid during this entire exchange.
You’re just not telling us how long you think it will take to gather that RCT data and be sufficient enough to feel safe in knowing there has been enough research done. That’s all I’ve been trying to ask. I don’t know how your constant runaround answers are easier than just giving a best case timeline in your opinion. How long would that process take best case scenarios? How is that question so hard for you to comprehend?
I am thankful you aren’t having one on one consultations, though, that definitely worried me thinking of the poor old ladies you berated for not subscribing to the same medical magazines as you. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Talked to one of our security guards that has been working one of our drive up, testing tents. He said you would be surprised at how many times you hear the nurses say "this one is going to be a negative" 2 seconds after they pull the swab out of the nose. They can only push the swab in as far as the patient will let them and I guess a good chunk of those people just simply can't take it and tell them nurse to stop before the swab gets where it needs to go.
I am sure that lends itself to some of the false negatives we are always hearing about.
I mentioned that early on a lot of neg tests would be due to the patients tolerance to the test as well as the person performing the test . [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Talked to one of our security guards that has been working one of our drive up, testing tents. He said you would be surprised at how many times you hear the nurses say "this one is going to be a negative" 2 seconds after they pull the swab out of the nose. They can only push the swab in as far as the patient will let them and I guess a good chunk of those people just simply can't take it and tell them nurse to stop before the swab gets where it needs to go.
I am sure that lends itself to some of the false negatives we are always hearing about.
I have seen some videos of governors getting the test and it looks like they aren't going that high up. But that one video of the soldier getting the test posted here was ugh...
But yeah this was one of my main concerns in regards to the current test, either the test was shitty or the person giving\getting the test didn't administer it right. [Reply]
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
I have seen some videos of governors getting the test and it looks like they aren't going that high up. But that one video of the soldier getting the test posted here was ugh...
But yeah this was one of my main concerns in regards to the current test, either the test was shitty or the person giving\getting the test didn't administer it right.
I am going to say it was the giver most likely listening to the getter. If someone says stop they pretty much have to stop I guess. Then again if you have someone that doesn't know how to do the swab as painless as possible then that could have something to do with it too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
I mentioned that early on a lot of neg tests would be due to the patients tolerance to the test as well as the person performing the test .
The Security Guard was saying it was about half the people there. Nurses would just shake their head saying "this will be a neg". I don't know if they could or should record that though. Just note the tester didn't feel the test was adequately applied or something like that. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Talked to one of our security guards that has been working one of our drive up, testing tents. He said you would be surprised at how many times you hear the nurses say "this one is going to be a negative" 2 seconds after they pull the swab out of the nose. They can only push the swab in as far as the patient will let them and I guess a good chunk of those people just simply can't take it and tell them nurse to stop before the swab gets where it needs to go.
I am sure that lends itself to some of the false negatives we are always hearing about.
My brother got tested in L.A. and it was just a cheek swab. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I am going to say it was the giver most likely listening to the getter. If someone says stop they pretty much have to stop I guess. Then again if you have someone that doesn't know how to do the swab as painless as possible then that could have something to do with it too.
I have no doubt. Just the thought of that going up to my brain..:-) [Reply]
So the Imperial is now again suggesting we are about to have mass deaths with the reopening.
YIKES "We predict that increased mobility following relaxation of social distancing will lead to resurgence of transmission. We predict that deaths over the next two-month period could exceed current cumulative deaths by greater than two-fold"
Originally Posted by petegz28:
In other words you didn't read a ****ing word of it. Maybe looked at the pretty pictures but most likely googled something, found this link and posted it.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I am going to say it was the giver most likely listening to the getter. If someone says stop they pretty much have to stop I guess. Then again if you have someone that doesn't know how to do the swab as painless as possible then that could have something to do with it too.
To a certain extent if I think if it is beneficial for the patient I might push the limits a bit most people can tolerate more than they say . Anxiety / fear etc. You have to read the situation.
If you want a good swab look for the meanest nurse lol [Reply]
