Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, back to your pedantic bullshit. So show us all where they say masks prevent you from getting Covid. It should be rather easy for you. Cause I haven't seen a single medical expert say it does. In fact I have seen tons stress just the opposite.
I asked you this: You are saying that a mask wouldn't stop a droplet?
You responded with this: I am not saying that. The experts are saying that
You've yet to show that. Can you, or not?
No one claims that wearing a mask prevents you from getting COVID-19. Does it help lower your chances of being infected and mitigate the spread? Of course. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Yeah, exactly. So just stop right there and :-) about it because you don't know. What you think you know is what the media wants you to think you know. Thus their deliberate efforts to keep her criminal background largely undiscussed. So just stop.
What’s my stance on it that I think I know? As smart as you can be your reading comprehension goes to shit when your busy typing out responses to everyone on the board. I don’t know if this lady is full of shit, nor do I know if Florida should have fired her. I do know she sent a whistleblower email and then was fired the next day. Timing makes it hard to eliminate cloud of suspicion around their data, and the best thing for them to do is clear it up by investigating allegations and demonstrating she is a full of shit ex-employee ex-criminal making false allegations. I don’t blindly trust politicians when this much money is at stake, and if you’ve read any of my posts I feel the same distrust for the media. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
I asked you this: You are saying that a mask wouldn't stop a droplet?
You responded with this: I am not saying that. The experts are saying that
You've yet to show that. Can you, or not?
No one claims that wearing a mask prevents you from getting COVID-19. Does it help lower your chances of being infected and mitigate the spread? Of course.
Originally Posted by Kidd Lex:
What’s my stance on it that I think I know? As smart as you can be your reading comprehension goes to shit when your busy typing out responses to everyone on the board. I don’t know if this lady is full of shit, nor do I know if Florida should have fired her. I do know she sent a whistleblower email and then was fired the next day. Timing makes it hard to eliminate cloud of suspicion around their data, and the best thing for them to do is clear it up by investigating allegations and demonstrating she is a full of shit ex-employee ex-criminal making false allegations. I don’t blindly trust politicians when this much money is at stake, and if you’ve read any of my posts I feel the same distrust for the media.
I don't care what your stance is. You brought it up for a reason, however, so it's not hard to assume where you were going with it and why. [Reply]
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
Still bitching about the masks? You're such a crybaby. Either wear it or don't. Your choice
Speaking of bitching
Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy:
My whole thing is if you don't want to wear a mask fine... But don't talk shit on ppl who do. They obviously are doing it to either protect themselves or others. What the hell is wrong w that?
You gonna take people to task who talk shit on people who don't wear? I know you are asserting that there's more shit-talking at the mask wearers, but I think that a survey of social media and this site would suggest otherwise. . . .
Maybe everyone give everyone a break, and the presumption they're doing their best . . . Maybe . . . [Reply]
That was a good read but I think it comes down to the problem that most of the experts seem to say, which is people don't wear the masks correctly among other things like touching their mask, etc. That is what seems to be the deciding factor and of course it is no surprise. Ineffectively wearing the mask does a much better job of preventing spread than ineffectively wearing the mask prevents getting infection is what the common conclusion tends to be. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
Can face masks help prevent the spread of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)? Yes, face masks combined with other preventive measures, such as frequent hand-washing and social distancing, help slow the spread of the disease.
So why weren't face masks recommended at the start of the pandemic? At that time, experts didn't yet know the extent to which people with COVID-19 could spread the virus before symptoms appeared. Nor was it known that some people have COVID-19 but don't have any symptoms. Both groups can unknowingly spread the virus to others.
These discoveries led the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to do an about-face on face masks. The CDC updated its guidance to recommend widespread use of simple cloth face coverings to help prevent transmission of COVID-19 by people who have the virus but don't know it.
Some public health groups argue that masks should be reserved for health care providers and point to the critical shortage of surgical masks and N95 masks. The CDC acknowledged this concern when it recommended cloth masks for the public and not the surgical and N95 masks needed by health care providers.
Um, perhaps you are a touch slow but I have never argued masks don't prevent the spread. In fact I have stated just the opposite. How you missed that is really unbelievable. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
For the third time: if it is an inactivated virus, once the RCT data is in.
Next time I'll try a crayon font.
Okay. So we’ll all anxiously await the RCT data that we’re all so familiar with then. Thank you almighty Hamas.
Just so you know most of those patients leaving whatever pharmacy you work at aren’t leaving because they’re trolls. They’re leaving because you’re an asshole and it’s likely not hard to find a pharmacist just as smart across town that will actually help them without trying to prove their intellectual superiority. Most pharmacists signed up to be helpful and give back to their community. It’s easy to spot the ones that just love to wear their white coats to feel superior. I unfortunately have to work with a few more asshole pharmacists like you than I’d like to.
I hope you’re at least giving legitimate info for Covid fatality rates in children to worried parents and not withholding that info from them just so that you can promote more social distancing. That’s all I was trying to say by bringing up that the flu is more deadly than the coronavirus in children. Most parents have a tendency to overreact when their children’s safety is involved so hopefully most parents are at least at ease more nowadays with the research we have in front of us and they aren’t overreacting thinking this is a danger to their kids. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
Speaking of bitching
You gonna take people to task who talk shit on people who don't wear? I know you are asserting that there's more shit-talking at the mask wearers, but I think that a survey of social media and this site would suggest otherwise. . . .
Maybe everyone give everyone a break, and the presumption they're doing their best . . . Maybe . . .
I was talking to PETE who posts 50-times a day bitching about wearing masks.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
That was a good read but I think it comes down to the problem that most of the experts seem to say, which is people don't wear the masks correctly among other things like touching their mask, etc. That is what seems to be the deciding factor and of course it is no surprise. Ineffectively wearing the mask does a much better job of preventing spread than ineffectively wearing the mask prevents getting infection is what the common conclusion tends to be.
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Um, perhaps you are a touch slow but I have never argued masks don't prevent the spread. In fact I have stated just the opposite. How you missed that is really unbelievable.
