Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by petegz28:
No, I don't have a misunderstanding at all. I am just posting data that you don't agree with, which is fine.
Do you think his education and training could potentially help him understand this information better than you, Do you think he is just copying and pasting other peoples opinions or his expertise gives him the ability to formulate his own. [Reply]
What do you think his job is? His job is troubleshooting medication in an attempt to find potential harm, do you think think that is doom and gloom or a good thing? [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
What does the weight of evidence say mask wearing does for a person's risk of contracting or spreading the virus?
I posted that yesterday. I have explained it several times. You are more than welcome to get the link to livescience that I posted about masks.
But just to briefly humor you, masks do little in the way of what we think. As in the article I posted, a mask provides you with maybe an extra minute of talking to a person before you infect them. Which is why it went on to state they do very little for people in retail or as they said a bus driver. This isn't shit I am just making up, Hamas. These are people just as if not even more educated than yourself. I largely respect what you have to say on this topic but you consistently have this way and talking like anyone that doesn't agree with you just doesn't know what they are talking about. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
So, you aren't wearing a mask and you walk past someone who has a coughing fit just then.
You are saying that a mask wouldn't stop a droplet?
I am not saying that. The experts are saying that. Which is why they repeat over and over and many, many of you on here did the same until yesterday, which is masks are to prevent you from spreading not you from getting.
Now move the goal posts a little more, spin it how you want, whatever. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
And here we go again.....keyword "potentially". And the studies show the chances of getting infected by walking past an infected person while wearing a mask and not wearing a mask are statistically the same.
The mask does what most if not all of these experts are saying, they prevent you from coughing and sneezing larger droplets onto everything.
can a mask potentially keep things like a droplet of water out of your mouth.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Do you think his education and training could potentially help him understand this information better than you, Do you think he is just copying and pasting other peoples opinions or his expertise gives him the ability to formulate his own.
Oh see that's your problem. I am posting info that other doctors and medical professionals are stating, not me. So if your question is do I think Hamas knows more than every other doctor and medical professional in the world than the answer is clearly no. [Reply]
It’s really not that hard to find. It’s kind of scary that I’m just making you aware of this. Are you not using the CDC for your research?
Read my post again. "Point to a single piece of information that establishes that as the genesis for that belief." I didn't say, "show that the mortality rate is lower for this cohort."
There have been people in here since the beginning of the thread saying that this is not as bad as the flu, and absolutely none of that was based on evidence, because they weren't looking at evidence. First it was "it's not the flu," then it was "it's not as bad as H1N1," then it was, "look at all the comorbidities," then it was, "look at how many people who die are in nursing homes." Every attempt is made to move the goalposts rather than acknowledging what is plainly obvious--that this is a very real health emergency that none of us have seen an equivalent to in our lifetimes. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I am not saying that. The experts are saying that. Which is why they repeat over and over and many, many of you on here did the same until yesterday, which is masks are to prevent you from spreading not you from getting.
Now move the goal posts a little more, spin it how you want, whatever.
Please present these experts saying that a mask won't stop a droplet. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Oh see that's your problem. I am posting info that other doctors and medical professionals are stating, not me. So if your question is do I think Hamas knows more than every other doctor and medical professional in the world than the answer is clearly no.
Do you think hamas could potentially see through all the bullshit online better than somebody else ? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
What do you think his job is? His job is troubleshooting medication in an attempt to find potential harm, do you think think that is doom and gloom or a good thing?
That has nothing to do with what I’m talking about. Dude shuts down every conspiracy theory that doesn’t fit his narrative, and claims to be all about the facts/data, but he pushes the conspiracy about Florida’s data? That tells me everything I need to know.
Maybe his agenda/narrative is just about being right because he’s an arrogant prick, but he clearly has one that he’s pushing. [Reply]
