Originally Posted by dlphg9:
Bubic is pitching like a TOR guy. He looks like KCs best pitcher right now. Hopefully he gets promoted soon to AA. How high could he get on prospect rankings this Winter? Top 50?
I don’t think so. His stuff isn’t loud enough. Extremely effective guys without premium fastball velo are going to slot 75-150.
Stillvery exciting results. The k rate especially. [Reply]
Bubic feels like a sure thing. The most sure thing to be a useful starter at the MLB level. Maybe not the top shelf potential that some of the other guys have, though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by tk13:
Gordon has 10/5 rights so he can veto any trade he wants. Of course you are only here to troll so it really doesn't matter.
Duffy and Perez should have been traded now you got 2 broke dicks wasting roster spots with large contracts. Of course they needed to keep Salvy so they could maintain being 28th in attendance :-) but but attendance is low because it's a school night, weather, etc. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Wat? He was literally one of the most valuable players in baseball in 2014.
Say what you will about 2016-now, but he straight up dominated from 2011-2015.
I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.
I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters....... [Reply]
Originally Posted by Meatloaf:
I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.
I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......
Do you think batting average is the primary means of offensive effectiveness? If not, how much do you value advanced statistics? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Meatloaf:
I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.
I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......
Position players who were more valuable than Alex Gordon, 2011-15:
Mike Trout
Andrew McCutchen
Buster Posey
Miggy
Lucroy (bullshit framing metrics)
Adrian Beltre
Robby Cano
Bautista
Yadier Molina (bullshit framing metrics)
Votto
:fin:
Stop valuing batting average above all else. It’s an antiquated way of looking at quality of contribution and also inaccurate.
Gordon was not a superstar offensive performer outside of 2011 and 2012, but he was a superstar all-around player.
He’s not an MLB hall of famer (he would have 10 years of the quality of 2011-15, not 5), but he’s a Royals hall of famer, easily. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Duffy and Perez should have been traded now you got 2 broke dicks wasting roster spots with large contracts. Of course they needed to keep Salvy so they could maintain being 28th in attendance :-) but but attendance is low because it's a school night, weather, etc.
Keep beating that drum.
They listened on Duffy after 2017 and didn’t get anything reasonable offered.
It’s easy to say “trade a guy for prospects!” If you take the time to look at trades that offseason, there are not really any comparable. Gerrit Cole got shipped to the Astros for an uninspiring package headlined by Colin Moran and Joe Musgrove.
And it’s a stretch to suggest Duffy’s value was the same as Cole’s. It was not. [Reply]
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Keep beating that drum.
They listened on Duffy after 2017 and didn’t get anything reasonable offered.
It’s easy to say “trade a guy for prospects!” If you take the time to look at trades that offseason, there are not really any comparable. Gerrit Cole got shipped to the Astros for an uninspiring package headlined by Colin Moran and Joe Musgrove.
And it’s a stretch to suggest Duffy’s value was the same as Cole’s. It was not.
Duffy will be 34 before this team contends and by then his arm will be shot. The real value is getting rid of his contract allowing you to also complete trades like Kennedy for Wentz and of course improve your draft position by tanking. Of course trimming the payroll also helps for as they move closer to competing being able to sign some free agents.
There is literally zero value to having Duffy on this team. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Duffy will be 34 before this team contends and by then his arm will be shot. The real value is getting rid of his contract allowing you to also complete trades like Kennedy for Wentz and of course improve your draft position by tanking. Of course trimming the payroll also helps for as they move closer to competing being able to sign some free agents.
There is literally zero value to having Duffy on this team.
They didn’t commit to a full tank job. I won’t argue with you on that.
Weird that in 2019, there are Royals fans UPSET KC did not commit to a full tank. Amazing what a good 5-year run will do to change hearts and minds. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Duffy will be 34 before this team contends and by then his arm will be shot. The real value is getting rid of his contract allowing you to also complete trades like Kennedy for Wentz and of course improve your draft position by tanking. Of course trimming the payroll also helps for as they move closer to competing being able to sign some free agents.
There is literally zero value to having Duffy on this team.
Dude, you're now a Royals fan, right?
Your frequent analysis in this thread would make so much more sense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Meatloaf:
I appreciate your position Mr Chiefspants, I simply disagree. In my mind, Gordon has had 2 really nice years out of 13 years in the majors (2011, 2012). I mean, if you can't hit .270, you ain't exactly dominating in my book (ok, he did hit .271 in 2015). I will also grant you that up until this year he has been an outstanding left fielder from a defensive perspective.
I simply have him pegged as a decent major league player, yet he is treated (and paid) as if he is a Hall of Famer. I don't get it. Oh well, as Duncan suggests, let's move on to more important matters.......
20 million a year is not getting paid like a hall of famer. It's above average salary in the sport. Gordon is tied for #35 in the MLB on salary this year. Of course you also use BA to try to prove a point, which shows your baseball knowledge is lacking. [Reply]
