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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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BleedingRed 10:36 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by Lzen:
Yeah, that worked really well during Prohibition.
Lmao I don't take him serious because the way he thinks is completely bat shit insane.
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Monticore 10:36 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Lmao I don't take him serious because the way he thinks is completely bat shit insane.
Coming from you I take that as a compliment.
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DaFace 11:18 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by Lzen:
I still want to get this kind of info. I would love to see how the top causes of death numbers compare this year to previous years. I suspect that they are down because certain conditions are being reported as COVID 19 even if they were already going to die from something else.
You probably won't see them for a while. CDC statistics typically lag a couple YEARS. Looks like 2018 is the latest they've put out.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
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DaFace 11:34 AM 05-20-2020
Antibody tests from Sweden aren't very promising for those hoping for natural herd immunity. The article is in Swedish, but the key point is that only 7.3% of people in Stockholm were positive (the highest in the country). That represents the state of things in early April, though, so in theory it's higher than that now. Still, that's way lower than I was hoping for.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...ovid-19-virus/
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Mecca 11:47 AM 05-20-2020
If you're using Georgia as an example, you should probably stop.

Georgia’s COVID-19 positive rate is higher than what state reports.

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news...242831786.html


A quick highlight that explains why their numbers are flawed is this..

Originally Posted by :
A representative for the Georgia Department of Public Health confirmed Monday that data on its website listing the total number of tests performed includes both antibody and viral tests for the novel coronavirus. The two tests are not the same. Antibody tests tell signs of previous infections while viral tests identify those who are currently infected.

“You’re putting apples and oranges together and calling them oranges,” said Dr. Harry J. Heiman, a clinical associate professor at Georgia State University’s School of Public Health. “You’re mixing two different tests. ...All that does is over-inflate the testing number.

“If anything, it skews those numbers to make it appear like the level of disease relative to testing is actually dropping much more dramatically than it is.”

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petegz28 11:47 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Antibody tests from Sweden aren't very promising for those hoping for natural herd immunity. The article is in Swedish, but the key point is that only 7.3% of people in Stockholm were positive (the highest in the country). That represents the state of things in early April, though, so in theory it's higher than that now. Still, that's way lower than I was hoping for.

https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/...ovid-19-virus/
Wouldn't the converse of that be the virus isn't spreading like people thought as well?
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BleedingRed 11:48 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Wouldn't the converse of that be the virus isn't spreading like people thought as well?
Can't have both
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BleedingRed 11:49 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
If you're using Georgia as an example, you should probably stop.

Georgia’s COVID-19 positive rate is higher than what state reports.

https://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news...242831786.html


A quick highlight that explains why their numbers are flawed is this..
I prefer Texas......... We are much better at CoronaVirus.
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petegz28 11:50 AM 05-20-2020
Anecdotal but if you want evidence that things are getting better than peep this..

A month ago NY and NJ would have already posted 800+ new deaths if not even more by now. Slowly those numbers got down to under 100-200. Now they haven't even posted any as of yet.

If you have followed Worldometers regularly you would know this is a great sign as the deaths in the hottest spot in the country are slowing substantially.
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DaFace 11:51 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Wouldn't the converse of that be the virus isn't spreading like people thought as well?
Sure, but the whole idea with Sweden was that they would reach herd immunity before everyone else, and that's why their approach would be deemed to be optimal.

This suggests that it really is just social distancing (in their somewhat limited form) that is causing them to slow down. If they let up, they'll be essentially as vulnerable as everyone else, which means their high death rates (compared to their peers) haven't accomplished much.
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petegz28 11:59 AM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Sure, but the whole idea with Sweden was that they would reach herd immunity before everyone else, and that's why their approach would be deemed to be optimal.

This suggests that it really is just social distancing (in their somewhat limited form) that is causing them to slow down. If they let up, they'll be essentially as vulnerable as everyone else, which means their high death rates (compared to their peers) haven't accomplished much.
Which means they half-ass approached it. They should not have done social distancing. Either rip the band-aid off or don't.
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Monticore 12:26 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
Which means they half-ass approached it. They should not have done social distancing. Either rip the band-aid off or don't.
It is more like they hedged their bets.
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petegz28 12:27 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
It is more like they hedged their bets.
My point still stands....
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Monticore 12:29 PM 05-20-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
My point still stands....
I prefer not to lose big if I am wrong , you might not win big either but depends what you are gambling with.

Social distancing is proven to help, herd immunity for this virus wasn't at the time.
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petegz28 12:31 PM 05-20-2020
I was surprised after all the talk about how great Iceland did to see they had more cases per m than we do.
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