Originally Posted by RunKC:
I hate it that both Andy and Sutton go ultra conservative when they have a lead in the 2nd half and I have no idea why. Is Andy scared of a game changing INT? Is Sutton just trying to run clock by playing prevent?
Everyone thought this would change with Pat, but it hasn’t.
This happened in the Broncos and Cardinals game too. The offense just shuts down and defense is in full on prevent.
It’s not going to change because this is Andy’s plan. He’s so terrified of losing games that it ends up losing the game anyway. He plays not to lose when he should be pushing the envelope.
My hope is that this game will rattle their cages not to turtle up anymore this year - if we survive with HFA intact. [Reply]
I've seen Belicheck do it. It just seems to be the way it is. McVay has gone against it some as a young up and comer but it's kind of bitten him a few times too. [Reply]
It also works like 80-90% of the time. How many games with Smiff did we just limp over the finish line, but we still won? We just remember the times that turtling up fails.
There were at least 10 plays in that SD game late that we win the game if they go our way. It really took a combination of bad play and bad luck to lose that game. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
It also works like 80-90% of the time. How many games with Smiff did we just limp over the finish line, but we still won? We just remember the times that turtling up fails.
There were at least 10 plays in that SD game late that we win the game if they go our way. It really took a combination of bad play and bad luck to lose that game.
Sure, but that's the same shit that we said after the Colts game. And the Steeler playoff game. And the (insert game) here.
Granted they win a lot still, but shit. I dunno. [Reply]
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
It also works like 80-90% of the time. How many games with Smiff did we just limp over the finish line, but we still won? We just remember the times that turtling up fails.
There were at least 10 plays in that SD game late that we win the game if they go our way. It really took a combination of bad play and bad luck to lose that game.
That's my point here.
What Reid did is what everyone does. And everyone does it because it works. If he'd have gone out there bombing downfield he'd have been rightly eviscerated for ignoring the game situation.
Given the state of his interior line, his field position and the game situation, what he did was absolutely defensible if not outright correct. Frankly, I'd have done it exactly the same way. If he'd have simply handed off on that 3rd down or gone back to the interior run on 2nd down, I think there'd be some complaint here but he did dial up a pass on 2nd (it appeared to be a safe single read, but there was a chance to break it off for a bit more) and he called a play that was designed past the sticks on 3rd.
He didn't do anything wrong on that drive. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
They ran it once and threw it twice.
Entire second half was dink and dunk. Mahomes plays incredibly safe when we have a lead. And I don't think that's because he wants to be a safe qb. You can still pass a ton and be way too conservative. We barely ran the ball in the second half against Tennessee too. [Reply]
Originally Posted by O.city:
Sure, but that's the same shit that we said after the Colts game. And the Steeler playoff game. And the (insert game) here.
Granted they win a lot still, but shit. I dunno.
But each of those games was a different sort of stumble-fuck. Andy never actually dialed back on offense in the Colts loss and there's a hell of an argument to be made that he should have. Had he simply kept the ball on the ground and milked clock, it would've been nearly impossible for the Colts to come back in that game. He did exactly what you're asking and it killed him.
The Steelers game...I mean it's just so damn hard to keep an offense going at any strength when you have a defense that's giving them to the 20 yard line every drive like it's nothing. Moreover, it wasn't like Andy got conservative - the offense simply never found footing at all (and, y'know, there was that time that Smith ignored a streaking Tyreek Hill for what would have been the back-breakers).
You just have to look at each collapse individually and in the end, you see that they're a lot like my golf swing. Something different goes awry every damn time. Ultimately we try to hammer each failure into the same mold but when one's a snap hook into the water and the next a slice into the parking lot...shit, what do you do?
And if every swing was a POS, you'd get yourself a different swing coach but when 80% of the time you can count on the ball straight and true to the fairway...well y'know what, it's just not an easy game... [Reply]