The NFL will not mandate COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, it stands to reason, even with incentives offered to teams and players who are vaccinated, some players aren’t going to get a shot.
Bills quarterback Josh Allen could be one of those. In an appearance on The Ringer’s “10 Questions With Kyle Brandt” podcast, Allen said he has not had a vaccine and might not get one.
“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it. Again, I’d lean the other way, too, if that’s what it said. I haven’t been paying attention to it as much as maybe I should have. I’ve just been doing my thing and masking up when I’m going out and just staying close and hanging around family.”
It is unclear what statistics Allen needs to see to convince him to get a shot. The Pfizer vaccine was shown a 95 percent efficacy rate in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, just 1 percentage point more than Moderna’s. The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was shown to have a 72 percent efficacy rate in the United States in preventing symptomatic illness and an 85 percent efficacy rate in preventing the most severe disease 28 days after vaccination.
Allen, 24, made clear he’s against any kind of mandate.
“I think everybody should have that choice to do it or not to do it,” Allen said. “You get in this tricky situation now where if you do mandate that that’s kind of going against what our constitution says and the freedom to kind of express yourself one way or the other. I think we’re in a time where that’s getting a lot harder to do. Everybody should have that choice.”
However, the league expects to amend certain protocols for those who are vaccinated and for teams as a whole if certain vaccination levels are met, which will encourage (pressure?) players to get a COVID-19 shot.
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
O geee guess we will skip the processes all other vaccines went through. It takes years to get on market for other one, BUT THIS ONES DIFFERENT!
Why do you think there was a need to get this one at "warp speed"? [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
O geee guess we will skip the processes all other vaccines went through. It takes years to get on market for other one, BUT THIS ONES DIFFERENT!
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
Too many people talk about COVID as if they understand COVID and the shot...
He can still get the shot and get COVID a week later. It doesn’t make you immune to the virus, it simply helps you cope with the virus if/when you get it, which since COVID will now be around forever, everyone will get it at some point in their life. What society’s are trying to do with the vaccine is give you a small dose of it, so when you get the real thing, your immune system knows how to react to it and save your life.
Hope this helps you.
Efficacy of the mRNA vaccines are about 93%. J&J is about 70%
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
Too many people talk about COVID as if they understand COVID and the shot...
He can still get the shot and get COVID a week later. It doesn’t make you immune to the virus, it simply helps you cope with the virus if/when you get it, which since COVID will now be around forever, everyone will get it at some point in their life. What society’s are trying to do with the vaccine is give you a small dose of it, so when you get the real thing, your immune system knows how to react to it and save your life.
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Again, you are a moron.
hypothetical adjective
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1: involving or based on a hypothesis
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One was also presented later:
In the most pessimistic scenario, which I do not espouse, if the new coronavirus infects 60% of the global population and 1% of the infected people die, that will translate into more than 40 million deaths globally, matching the 1918 influenza pandemic.
His whole point is no one knows because no one has data. That's what the paper is about.
Yes, he was wrong. Again, good source, idiot. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Mecca:
This is a big part of why I don't get one at the moment. There isn't enough testing because it was fast tracked to market, I find that concerning.
I'm thinking in my unscientific mind, just being logical here that 171+ million shots into American citizens arms is a pretty damn big "test group".
I'm against forced vaccines. But, if you want your kid to go to a kindergarten or elementary school, you have to prove your kid has been vaccinated. Show your papers please in this limited scope, has been in effect in this country since post WWII.
I don't see private business's being prevented from banning employees or customers who are not vaccinated from their business. They can tell all employees or any customer for that matter that you have to wear a blue shirt to work or do business with them. Its your choice at that point to wear a blue shirt to work there or patronize their business. [Reply]
Nobody and I mean nobody is happier about Josh Allen riding the fence on the vaccine than Donger, now he has a COVID thread in the main forum he can bleed out in over and over and over again. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
You're *this* close to realizing that a vaccination can still mean a positive test and thus result in Allen missing time.
I can't imagine the NFL will have nearly these same rules once most players and fans and staff have had opportunities to vaccinate. [Reply]
It will always be a choice to get the vaccine or not. The government is never going to force you to do it. However, if you want to send your kids to public schools, perhaps even travel, and your employer can require it.
Doesn't mean you have to utilize the public school system, or work at said employee, or travel to a country that requires it. Still is your choice, though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TripleThreat:
Too many people talk about COVID as if they understand COVID and the shot...
He can still get the shot and get COVID a week later. It doesn’t make you immune to the virus, it simply helps you cope with the virus if/when you get it, which since COVID will now be around forever, everyone will get it at some point in their life. What society’s are trying to do with the vaccine is give you a small dose of it, so when you get the real thing, your immune system knows how to react to it and save your life.
Hope this helps you.
I don't understand your point. That further proves my point that the unvaccinated guy is at higher risk of getting sick enough to miss time than the vaccinated guy. And that being surrounded by vaccinated asymptomatic carriers still puts him at risk, especially once these carriers return to a way more normal lifestyle.
Its mahomes call if he wants to get a vaccine. But id much rather our guy not miss a few games over this. Wouldn't we all? [Reply]
