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Nzoner's Game Room>Houston Astros get hammered for cheating
siberian khatru 12:59 PM 01-13-2020

BREAKING: Per sources, MLB’s penalties for #Astros include:

*One-year suspensions for GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch.

*Losses of 1st and 2nd round draft picks in both 2020 and ‘21.

*A fine of $5M.

Full story and more context with @EvanDrellich: https://t.co/djvKEYFiC7

— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 13, 2020



No players were disciplined by Major League Baseball in the Astros' investigation. While Mets manager Carlos Beltran was part of it, he was a player at the time and thus was not suspended.

Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora is coming. It is going to be harsh, per sources.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 13, 2020


Jim Crane just fired Jeff Luhnow and AJ Hinch.

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 13, 2020

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GloryDayz 09:58 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Bellinger/Judge/Trout spoke out pretty loudly yesterday.
Good. That's a start, let's hope it's gets louder and louder.
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notorious 10:11 AM 02-19-2020
This could have all been nipped in the bud.


Nope, they dropped the ball.
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ChiTown 10:51 AM 02-19-2020
Why does Rob Manfred still have a job?
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The Franchise 10:56 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
Just so you know that isn't feasible. There's no way Major League Baseball would ever do this. You'd effectively be killing baseball for three years in the country's seventh-largest TV market and basically telling 2.85 million paying fans (the number of fans who turned out to Minute Maid Park in 2019) that there's no reason to show up at the ballpark for three years. That's the sort of financial hit that the entirety of baseball, not just the Houston Astros, would not be able to recover from.
A post season ban of the Astros wouldn’t kill baseball. You have fans out there right now that are supporting the team and their opinion is “so what....we cheated”. Pretty sure those fans would still be buying tickets to see the regular season games.
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Mecca 11:08 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by The Franchise:
A post season ban of the Astros wouldn’t kill baseball. You have fans out there right now that are supporting the team and their opinion is “so what....we cheated”. Pretty sure those fans would still be buying tickets to see the regular season games.
It would create a huge issue though of telling those fans those games don't matter. Baseball already has an attendance and popularity problem especially with young people.

Hence why Manfred is trying to make it the NBA.
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Gravedigger 11:09 AM 02-19-2020
The "piece of metal" comment told me all I need to know about what the Astros and the MLB think of their Championship. The funny thing is that the Astros intentionally tanked, similar to us, but couldn't do what we did in back to back years, so they had to cheat to get to where we got to. Makes me proud of the Royals even more so.
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Mecca 11:16 AM 02-19-2020
https://www.baseballprospectus.com/n...t-helped-them/
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ChiefsCountry 11:18 AM 02-19-2020
Frankly I don't give a shit. It's all faux outrage.
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Discuss Thrower 11:23 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry:
Frankly I don't give a shit. It's all faux outrage.
WRONG.
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kcxiv 11:24 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by smithandrew051:
Is it Manfred? Or the owners?

Manfred ultimately works for the owners. I’d be surprised if anything he said or did was his own idea.
Manfred, man the fuck up and do whats right! Be a fucking man.
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Kman34 11:25 AM 02-19-2020
Forgive me guys but I'm more of a football guy... But I have a question... Hasn't sign stealing been going on for ages in baseball anyway??? I know it wasn't to this extent but I think it's been around for awhile... Right? Cheating to get a Championship is wrong anyway you do it.
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Sassy Squatch 11:27 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by Kman34:
Forgive me guys but I'm more of a football guy... But I have a question... Hasn't sign stealing been going on for ages in baseball anyway??? I know it wasn't to this extent but I think it's been around for awhile... Right? Cheating to get a Championship is wrong anyway you do it.
Using technology to do it is the issue here.
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kcxiv 11:33 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by Kman34:
Forgive me guys but I'm more of a football guy... But I have a question... Hasn't sign stealing been going on for ages in baseball anyway??? I know it wasn't to this extent but I think it's been around for awhile... Right? Cheating to get a Championship is wrong anyway you do it.
it would be like someone telling a defense in football exactly what play you are running every play using a microphone thats that head coach can hear in real time.
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Mecca 11:44 AM 02-19-2020
If anyone thinks that the Astros are the only team with an elaborate sign stealing scheme I have bad news for you...they got busted but this shit is pervasive in baseball.
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Discuss Thrower 11:48 AM 02-19-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
If anyone thinks that the Astros are the only team with an elaborate sign stealing scheme I have bad news for you...they got busted but this shit is pervasive in baseball.
Go ahead and name all the ones using live video and a wireless communications system to do so.
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