Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by tyecopeland:
Interesting that there is a flu shot that many of the most susceptible people get that drives flu numbers down.
It does yet half the country still doesn’t get it , and flu death totals are estimated as well , covid and flu deaths are not counted the same way which is another reason we should not be comparing the two at any level right now . [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
There's a variation of people wearing masks here in the Midwest.
This might sound really bad, but I'm going to say it anyway.
From my own observation, the higher class areas of town are a lot more likely to be wearing masks than the lower class areas.
People's actions and reactions are setting the message that masks are actually more about signalling than safety. The spate of buzz of people policing masks for messaging and symbology are not helping that sense. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
People's actions and reactions are setting the message that masks are actually more about signalling than safety. The spate of buzz of people policing masks for messaging and symbology are not helping that sense.
Mixed messaging is the reason no plan we ever come up with will be effective be people complaining about the government initial policy on masks are now complaining about the government new policy on masks . ( they had reasons why they changed the policy and why they had the initial one) [Reply]
Originally Posted by Monticore:
Mixed messaging is the reason no plan we ever come up with will be effective be people complaining about the government initial policy on masks are now complaining about the government new policy on masks . ( they had reasons why they changed the policy and why they had the initial one)
It's pretty clear that the last thing people will surrender is partisan anger, and the opiod hit they get satiating that anger with resentment and bitter judgement.
This is likely exacerbated with people quarantined, meaning that the main outlet for much of anything that remains is cancerous anonymous social media.
I said, in this thread long ago, that if you actually care about achieving compliance with advice among free people, you PERSUADE them. But everyone seems hell-bent on belittlement and derision and anger toward whomever catches their fleeting glance not meeting their personal comfort standards. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
It's pretty clear that the last thing people will surrender is partisan anger, and the opiod hit they get satiating that anger with resentment and bitter judgement.
This is likely exacerbated with people quarantined, meaning that the main outlet for much of anything that remains is cancerous anonymous social media.
I said, in this thread long ago, that if you actually care about achieving compliance with advice among free people, you PERSUADE them. But everyone seems hell-bent on belittlement and derision and anger toward whomever catches their fleeting glance not meeting their personal comfort standards.
I agree
It very hard to persuade someone who has already made their decision before even getting all the info to make an informed one. We spend so much time and energy just trying to prove other people wrong and it has become so second nature we don’t even take time to actually look at the information being given. [Reply]
It very hard to persuade someone who has already made their decision before even getting all the info to make an informed one. We spend so much time and energy just trying to prove other people wrong and it has become so second nature we don’t even take time to actually look at the information being given.
The other side of the coin is, if you encounter someone who isn't persuaded to the same regimen you find acceptable, just assume they have their own reasons and let shit go. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Baby Lee:
The other side of the coin is, if you encounter someone who isn't persuaded to the same regimen you find acceptable, just assume they have their own reasons and let shit go.
Ya I agree , that can be difficult for a epidemiologist to do when he is trying to persuade a person with 0 medical knowledge on the subject of a pandemic , Which makes it hard to just agree to disagree when it can affect other people.
Two dudes arguing over the merits of a first round RB is a different story. [Reply]
Originally Posted by :
DOWNERS GROVE, Ill. -- A northern Illinois nurse is expressing regret for not taking better precautions while visiting her sister's Wisconsin bar.
Katie Koutsky, a nurse with Advocate Aurora Health system, says she was helping her sister reopen her suburban Milwaukee bar Wednesday when she was interviewed by a local television station.
She told WTMJ-TV being in the bar was no greater risk than being in a grocery store.
Koutsky said in a statement released by Advocate Aurora Health that it was a "lapse in judgment."
"First, while my priority was to support my sister and her attempt to restart her business which has been devastated by this pandemic, I'd like to express my regret for not wearing a mask or practicing social distancing while there," Koutsky said in a statement. "It was a lapse in judgment on my part to not ensure I had my mask prior to leaving my house and to not maintain social distancing - even during the interview requested by the reporter."
"As a nurse, I understand the fear and uncertainty everyone is facing and how important it is to practice safety measures not only at sites of care, but while away from work. I let my guard down and apologize for making anyone feel uncomfortable or at risk," she said.
I feel "almost certain" that I would prefer Fauci or any other official to reach 100% certainty before they start throwing out statements like this. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
I feel "almost certain" that I would prefer Fauci or any other official to reach 100% certainty before they start throwing out statements like this.
Then look at underlying increases in mortality rates, subtract COVID deaths, and look at the surplus, which is still astounding. He's correct. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Bowser:
I feel "almost certain" that I would prefer Fauci or any other official to reach 100% certainty before they start throwing out statements like this.
He was asked his opinion and he gave it. Not a big deal to me. [Reply]
