Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
California is already in revolt. Some counties are essentially telling Newsom to piss off. Larger counties, like San Diego, are submitting statements to Newsome telling him that his guidelines for re-opening aren't realistic.
Individual mayors and counties have already begun the fight against Newsom's orders. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Not to diminish the magnitude of the economic concerns, but at least so far, calling it "economic collapse" is a bit alarmist. Unemployment isn't looking good, but people are being propped up by the feds. Actual GDP is slipping, but it's on the scale of 10-20%. It's not like 90% of the economy is shut down right now.
So in short, we obviously need to get things running as soon as we possibly can, but these visions of riots in the streets seem pretty far off to me.
I'd like to add that i've noticed when major counties and such start throwing a fit as San Diego has done recently, the governor softens his stance. Haven't seen this posted yet, but as of 3 hours ago:
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SAN FRANCISCO (KGO) -- Gov. Gavin Newsom announced modifications to the statewide stay-at-home order Tuesday to allow more businesses in California to reopen, including dine-in restaurants, shopping malls and offices.
I don't think you'll see riots due to economic conditions.
I think you'll see riots because human tendency is to trigger the fight or flight response when they feel they've been backed into a corner, and I think many feel as though their rights, their liberties and their lives are being pulled from their grasp moreso by the day. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong. But I wouldn't be shocked to see some form of social aggression in places like LA soon. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Strongside:
I don't think you'll see riots due to economic conditions.
I think you'll see riots because human tendency is to trigger the fight or flight response when they feel they've been backed into a corner, and I think many feel as though their rights, their liberties and their lives are being pulled from their grasp moreso by the day. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong. But I wouldn't be shocked to see some form of social aggression in places like LA soon.
Possibly. It seems to me like people in LA are generally more compliant than people in the midwest are, though. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Possibly. It seems to me like people in LA are generally more compliant than people in the midwest are, though.
Well, yeah. But are we talking about the sunset strip or are we talking about South Central? Because it's a lot easier to sit at home all day, compliant in a mansion wiping down your car collection than it is to be piled into a 2 bedroom house with 9 of your closest family members. There are some very, very impoverished and neglected communities in LA county, and they probably feel that more than ever right now. Violent crime is even beginning to increase in rougher KC neighborhoods, and one has to believe that spike in aggression is tied to the frustrations being felt as a result of this new way of living.
I'm working at home. I'm fine with it. I'm grateful to have a paycheck and a job that allows me to do that. I'm also not deaf to the fact that many don't have that opportunity and that the frustration of communities that are already underserved is probably compounded by the sense that the rights they do have are now less than they were a few weeks ago.
This isn't Boyz in the 'Hood. Homes in South Central are worth more than $500k on average and Inglewood has been transformed into Silicon Beach, in which homes cost more than $1,000 per square foot.
This isn't Boyz in the 'Hood. Homes in South Central are worth more than $500k on average and Inglewood has been transformed into Silicon Beach, in which homes cost more than $1,000 per square foot.
Good fucking grief.
Dammit, you beat me to it.
I'd need one hell of a pay raise to afford to live in South Central. [Reply]
Originally Posted by DaFace:
Possibly. It seems to me like people in LA are generally more compliant than people in the midwest are, though.
I think that people will comply, as long as the beaches, trails and parks are open. Social Distancing will be much more difficult when millions of people are allowed to resume their normal outdoor activities but I think most people will continue to follow the orders as much as possible.
I've mentioned this earlier in the thread but more than 60% of people I've seen driving, whether it's been on my street or in Hollywood or on the freeways, have been wearing a mask in their cars.
