Originally Posted by aturnis:
I doubt it, but I do think they are working under someone's direction. Those involved likely took notice to Rust's presence at crime scenes and called the dogs on him.
Agreed, company men as he called them- they're just following orders and given enough information that Rust does look sketchy. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
Hart has to be in on it. He has a pic from his kid on the wall. Maybe he didn't know what it was back then but he certainty does now. He sees the girls arranging dolls in a rape scene.
He's suppose to be a good detective, one of the best. Thats a gigantic hole in the plot if he's not in on it.
Look back on here- most people thought it was a crime scene setup with the dolls, and I mentioned it looking like a sexual abuse setup. No one else saw it that way at the time minus myself and maybe 1 other person agreed after I pointed it out.
It's easy to dismiss what's right in front of you as innocuous, but given her behavior now, it's pretty telling she exhibits classic signs of childhood sexual abuse. Risky sexual behavior that is demeaning and void of intimacy, dressing in a manner to subvert typical sexual attraction.
Not to mention the fucking explicit drawings- One of which definitely depicts a crazy faced man.
Look at the pics, and tell me the 3rd one doesn't resemble something creepier (relatively speaking) !
What's with the face, line along the neck, and strange eyes and mouth?
Definitely looks like some sort of mask or something off to me...
Episode 6 teaser cuts to a pretty out of it young female saying,
"The man with the scars- he made me watch."
Could this be in reference to the pastor's assistant- the one that served time for child indecency and got clipped in the jailhouse showers.
These characters are really the only that haven't been revisited, and the Pastor (Eli from BE) I believe does have family influence high up in state government.
Church flyer was on yellow paper, the Yellow King is still out there, and his constant moving around, makes for a convenient means to subvert detection always on the go and other than a tiny spiral mark on the victims, very little MO of a serialized killing. [Reply]
Well, now I've seen every episode twice. Wish I could watch the last 3 tonight.
I thought this was a really great read. No spoilers, just speculation.
Originally Posted by :
The answer is there. Have you figured it out?
When you really look at the evidence, it’s obvious. The concept of True Detective‘s “Yellow King” is derived from the Robert W. Chambers’ 1895 short story collection The King in Yellow. It’s often cited as a huge influence on H.P. Lovecraft, and the title refers to both an evil supernatural entity and a two-act play that condemns its readers to insanity. Chambers also writes of a city called Carcosa, which is the dim, lost metropolis where black stars rise; to True Detective writer Nic Pizzolatto, it represents the domain of the Yellow King. From Chambers, we have our demon spirit, and we have our vessel. And before Martin Hart kills Reginald Ledoux in a blind rage for murder and kidnapping and unfathomable evil, the killer has a message for Rust Cohle: “You’re in Carcosa now … with me. He sees you.”
And though the line is omitted in “The Secret Fate of All Life,” Ledoux says in the clip linked above that Cohle, too, is a priest—a messenger for the Yellow King who will visit this place again because time is a “flat circle.” Cohle scoffs, but it’s a piece of philosophy he’ll echo 17 years later in an interrogation room as he stands accused of the same crime for which Ledoux gave his life. It’s a spiritual act of transference; when Ledoux dies, the Yellow King leaves his body and enters Cohle. The actions of the world cycle back upon themselves, and self-determination is an illusion for those who can’t recognize that fate has made them a prisoner. There is no independence. There’s not even death as we know it, just a presence that “created time to grow the things that it would kill.” For people, there’s only rebirth, and forgetting, and repeating. So Cohle becomes a servant to the Yellow King. He murders, and he covers up, and he coerces an armed robber into committing suicide when the man subtly threatens to expose him in an attempt to barter down from a life in prison. And it all began with Ledoux, who was nothing more than a body that had been inhabited; Cohle caught the madman, but he inherited the madness.
Or:
It happens later. The transformation is gradual, not immediate, the way a virus decimates a body. Guy Leonard Francis, the armed robber who confessed to Cohle that he killed two pharmacy workers in Livingston, implies that the Yellow King still lives, which is a thought that has plagued Cohle since his partner murdered Ledoux. Cohle has made every effort to live a normal life, even dating a doctor who is sufficiently attuned to his psychological eccentricities to say things like, “he’s conflict-oriented, so when I deny him small arguments, it builds up his energy.” But his eyes are hollow in the trappings of domesticity, and finally the pretense must fail.
A storm has been gathering in his mind for years, and it’s ready to rain. When he tells his interrogators that “someone once told me time is a flat circle,” we know that that someone is Ledoux himself, and that Cohle has been fixated on his words for 17 years—turning them over in an ongoing, obsessive analysis, and finally arriving at his own interpretation. He is consumed, and at the end of the episode, we see the moment where consumption gives way to seduction. He visits the abandoned school he had nearly entered years before, and in the gloomy interior finds the devil nets that are the sign of the Yellow King. He protects himself with gloves—one last attempt to distance himself from the malignant spirit that has been his destiny—but when he holds one up to a shaft of sunlight streaming through the window, he is enraptured. His soul is forfeit, his soul is transformed. He is a priest for the Yellow King.
Or:
Cohle meets Guy Leonard Francis in 2002, and knows by his use of the words “the yellow king” that this is no false offering. Ledoux is dead, but Ledoux was not at the top of the hierarchy. The man who turned him into a vessel is still alive and unaccounted for, and he is still killing. Cohle quits his job (or gets fired?), and either begins the hunt for the Yellow King, or attempts to flee.
But if escape is his first plan, it fails. He returns to Louisiana in 2010 having tracked the truth like he tracked Ledoux, beginning in the abandoned schoolhouse. He kills Reverend Billy Lee Tuttle, the man we see momentarily in episode two, who is cousin to the governor of Louisiana and who lobbies for the creation of a special task force to prosecute “anti-Christian crimes,” but is intricately involved in the murders. It is the latest act of vengeance for Cohle, who has made it his life’s mission to root out the infiltration of the Yellow King and eliminate the network, one by one. And he’s working as a vigilante, which is his purest version of self. Everything he tells the detectives interrogating him, from his alcoholism to his dark philosophies to his whereabouts in the past ten years, is sewn with deception to throw them off his trail. He knows they can’t be counted on to help; as he leaves, he hits them with the worst insult possible: “Company men.” He only came in to see their new information, but the thin file they hand him pales in comparison to his years of lonely hunting.
Or:
Martin Hart is the Yellow King. There are signs we’d be fools to ignore. His daughter, from the time she’s young, has dark sexual inclinations and an anger toward her father that hint at some form of abuse, and which Pizzolatto wouldn’t show us if it didn’t have a point. Hart was also the one, in episode two, who stopped Cohle from entering the abandoned school at the last possible moment when information came back on Reggie Ledoux’s past. Crucially, we never heard that information except from Hart’s mouth; he was giving up details on Ledoux to keep Cohle away from the school, which was part of Tuttle’s ministries and which was strewn with devil nets and other evidence of the killer.
When the pair finally caught up to Ledoux, Hart made sure to kill him before he could find his verbal way beyond apocalyptic poetry to reveal the identity of the Yellow King. He disguises the act as righteous rage, but it’s nothing more than an execution and a silencing. And in 2012, he slowly allows the new detectives to win him over with their case against Cohle. He’s nearing some ultimate coup, and the murders were an attempt to curb his existential fatigue; to refute the truth that the good days are a myth and the future has always been behind him. Hart—another name for “deer,” incidentally—is the yellow-haired malevolence that has worked its sinuous way through the refineries and bayous and cane fields of his own hellish Carcosa.
Or:
None of the above. We’re caught in a masterpiece, and “The Secrete Fate of All Life” was to speculation what the acorn is to the oak; both fruit and seed. In a breathless hour, we witnessed the subversion of a standard drama; first the climax, then the resolution, and then the mystery. It was riveting story, and beautiful imagery, and philosophical horror. We had our answers, only to realize we weren’t asking the right (fucking) questions. And unlike shows that rip the rug from under our feet with cheap reversals, this is one that leads us into newer, richer chambers without defiling the passageways that conveyed us. As we go deeper into the caverns, the show’s few remaining detractors will find less and less solace in their favorite hobbyhorses, which have been been left in shadow by the sheer absorbing magnitude of a project that has only itself to exceed.
And does.
So:
Have you ever watched a one-hour episode of television that felt like four, and was still too short? Have you ever been overjoyed to realize you’ll know everything in three short weeks? And has that same fact, for a passing moment, almost broken your heart?
Originally Posted by noa:
I don't think Marty will be in on it. I can easily believe that it will involve his father-in-law and daughter somehow, and he was blind to it. Pizzolatto was a staff writer on the Killing, and they had the cop as the killer on that show, so it would seem a little worn for him to do the same thing here.
Originally Posted by Brock:
As unlikely as it still seems to me, the fingerpointing at marty is starting to make sense.
Doubt it. Something I keep thinking back to Marty saying about his family is "just like a detective on a case, the answer was right under my nose the whole time." Thinking maybe this alludes to his daughters drawings, behavior, and the possibility of the grandfather. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Anyong Bluth:
Look back on here- most people thought it was a crime scene setup with the dolls, and I mentioned it looking like a sexual abuse setup. No one else saw it that way at the time minus myself and maybe 1 other person agreed after I pointed it out.
It's easy to dismiss what's right in front of you as innocuous, but given her behavior now, it's pretty telling she exhibits classic signs of childhood sexual abuse. Risky sexual behavior that is demeaning and void of intimacy, dressing in a manner to subvert typical sexual attraction.
Not to mention the fucking explicit drawings- One of which definitely depicts a crazy faced man.
Look at the pics, and tell me the 3rd one doesn't resemble something creepier (relatively speaking) !
What's with the face, line along the neck, and strange eyes and mouth?
Definitely looks like some sort of mask or something off to me...
This has been all over reddit since that episode ended. If you haven't been on there (I am guessing you have), you should definitely go there. [Reply]
