The NFL will not mandate COVID-19 vaccines. Thus, it stands to reason, even with incentives offered to teams and players who are vaccinated, some players aren’t going to get a shot.
Bills quarterback Josh Allen could be one of those. In an appearance on The Ringer’s “10 Questions With Kyle Brandt” podcast, Allen said he has not had a vaccine and might not get one.
“I’m still debating that,” Allen said, via Matt Parrino of nyup.com. “I’m a big statistics and logical guy. So, if statistics show it’s the right thing for me to do, I’d do it. Again, I’d lean the other way, too, if that’s what it said. I haven’t been paying attention to it as much as maybe I should have. I’ve just been doing my thing and masking up when I’m going out and just staying close and hanging around family.”
It is unclear what statistics Allen needs to see to convince him to get a shot. The Pfizer vaccine was shown a 95 percent efficacy rate in preventing symptomatic COVID-19, just 1 percentage point more than Moderna’s. The single-dose Johnson & Johnson vaccine was shown to have a 72 percent efficacy rate in the United States in preventing symptomatic illness and an 85 percent efficacy rate in preventing the most severe disease 28 days after vaccination.
Allen, 24, made clear he’s against any kind of mandate.
“I think everybody should have that choice to do it or not to do it,” Allen said. “You get in this tricky situation now where if you do mandate that that’s kind of going against what our constitution says and the freedom to kind of express yourself one way or the other. I think we’re in a time where that’s getting a lot harder to do. Everybody should have that choice.”
However, the league expects to amend certain protocols for those who are vaccinated and for teams as a whole if certain vaccination levels are met, which will encourage (pressure?) players to get a COVID-19 shot.
Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY:
Get a life, loser.
Ok, I'll emulate your life and will start following someone around on a football message board and talking out my ass because they hurt my internet feelings over a year ago. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
If mahomes is encouraged not to play basketball for fear of injury, I'm sure the bills will nudge Allen to get a vaccine to avoid an easily preventable illness that could sideline him for weeks. Especially since he's up for contract. It's a high contact sport and as everything opens up and more players are vaccinated, there will be tons of asymptomatic carriers. Can't imagine the bills would be thrilled about putting their star qb in that situation. In football, those few weeks can cost you a season.
You're *this* close to realizing that a vaccination can still mean a positive test and thus result in Allen missing time. [Reply]
Originally Posted by MahomesMagic:
Yes, a year ago. You obviously did not. Your ignorance is still here 1 year later.
If it is not a Chinese Media talking point you are not interested.
So you think this turned out to be accurate?
If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average. The media coverage would have been less than for an NBA game between the two most indifferent teams.
Some worry that the 68 deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of March 16 will increase exponentially to 680, 6,800, 68,000, 680,000 … along with similar catastrophic patterns around the globe. Is that a realistic scenario, or bad science fiction? How can we tell at what point such a curve might stop? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
You're *this* close to realizing that a vaccination can still mean a positive test and thus result in Allen missing time.
If there is high vaccination rates, why would testing matter? [Reply]
Originally Posted by Donger:
So you think this turned out to be accurate?
If we had not known about a new virus out there, and had not checked individuals with PCR tests, the number of total deaths due to “influenza-like illness” would not seem unusual this year. At most, we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average. The media coverage would have been less than for an NBA game between the two most indifferent teams.
Some worry that the 68 deaths from Covid-19 in the U.S. as of March 16 will increase exponentially to 680, 6,800, 68,000, 680,000 … along with similar catastrophic patterns around the globe. Is that a realistic scenario, or bad science fiction? How can we tell at what point such a curve might stop?
Wow, you really are stupid. The fact that you highlighted that shows you don't even read at a high school level.
Originally Posted by O.city:
If there is high vaccination rates, why would testing matter?
Right now, it is up to the team and the player whether or not a player plays with "flu-like symptoms".
Unless you're going to let sick people play, like they do with other illnesses, then they still have to test or they have to change the rules and say if you have symptoms of any kind, you can't play. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower:
You're *this* close to realizing that a vaccination can still mean a positive test and thus result in Allen missing time.
Do the mrna vaccines throw a false positives? I've read they don't. :-)
And I'm pretty sure the NFL wouldn't be that dumb and would document who's been vaccinated and would do their research on false positives after vaccination..... I would really hope so, anyway. [Reply]
Originally Posted by OKchiefs: As of now there really has been enough testing. Pfizer announced last week that they have enough data to file for full FDA approval and will be doing so shortly. That approval will of course take some time, so maybe we don't see the full approval for another 3-4 months. But do you honestly expect anything to change by then? Over 100 million doses of vaccine have been administered by this point in the U.S., almost a 1/3rd of the total population. If there were truly awful side effects we'd be screwed.
The chances of the vaccine not being fully approved by the FDA are slim to none. So I guess if people feel better in August when the exact same vaccine has full approval then more power to them.
O geee guess we will skip the processes all other vaccines went through. It takes years to get on market for other one, BUT THIS ONES DIFFERENT! [Reply]
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
Right now, it is up to the team and the player whether or not a player plays with "flu-like symptoms".
Unless you're going to let sick people play, like they do with other illnesses, then they still have to test or they have to change the rules and say if you have symptoms of any kind, you can't play.
Last I read they weren't going to keep implementing the testing and such they did last year. So unless they woudl be sick I don't think it would matter.
But it would definitely suck to see it sweep thru the locker room and guys miss games like the Ravens had last year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
O geee guess we will skip the processes all other vaccines went through. It takes years to get on market for other one, BUT THIS ONES DIFFERENT!
To be fair, Viagra isn't going to prevent the end of civilization as we know it.
Originally Posted by Bearcat:
Do the mrna vaccines throw a false positives? I've read they don't. :-)
And I'm pretty sure the NFL wouldn't be that dumb and would document who's been vaccinated and would do their research on false positives after vaccination..... I would really hope so, anyway.
mRNA vaccines also don't claim to block all infection. Or transmission, or well dying of the coronavirus. [Reply]
Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501:
If mahomes is encouraged not to play basketball for fear of injury, I'm sure the bills will nudge Allen to get a vaccine to avoid an easily preventable illness that could sideline him for weeks. Especially since he's up for contract. It's a high contact sport and as everything opens up and more players are vaccinated, there will be tons of asymptomatic carriers. Can't imagine the bills would be thrilled about putting their star qb in that situation. In football, those few weeks can cost you a season.
Too many people talk about COVID as if they understand COVID and the shot...
He can still get the shot and get COVID a week later. It doesn’t make you immune to the virus, it simply helps you cope with the virus if/when you get it, which since COVID will now be around forever, everyone will get it at some point in their life. What society’s are trying to do with the vaccine is give you a small dose of it, so when you get the real thing, your immune system knows how to react to it and save your life.
Originally Posted by Donger:
Right. Your doctor friend said that we'd see flu this season that seems to be a bit worse than average because of COVID-19. That's about 35,000/year.
We're at 570,000 deaths and counting from COVID-19.
And, then called 680,000 COVID-19 deaths as bad science fiction.
Great source, buddy. Top notch.
Again, you are a moron.
hypothetical adjective
hy·po·thet·i·cal | \ ˌhī-pə-ˈthe-ti-kəl \
Kids Definition of hypothetical
1: involving or based on a hypothesis
2: imagined as an example for further thought
a hypothetical situation
One was also presented later:
In the most pessimistic scenario, which I do not espouse, if the new coronavirus infects 60% of the global population and 1% of the infected people die, that will translate into more than 40 million deaths globally, matching the 1918 influenza pandemic.
His whole point is no one knows because no one has data. That's what the paper is about. [Reply]
