So we know at this point that Andy has been with Mahomes as a starter for 6 years and the results speak for themselves.
The next 6 years will run through Mahomes prime and Andy is signed through that time. Let’s assume a few things:
1. Andy coaches all 6 years
2. Spags coaches all 6 years and retires with Andy at the end of the 2029 season
3. Kelce plays 2 more seasons as planned and then retires
4. Chris Jones plays 3 more seasons
5. The Chiefs lose Dave Merritt in 2025 when his son graduates and heads to college
6. Mahomes does not suffer a significant injury in the next 6 years
What do you think? Can they possibly match the success they had in the first 6 years? Poll incoming [Reply]
I'm not making any predictions, but given the parameters that RunKC laid out, why the hell would any of those future assumptions be insurmountable to him continuing to win at this pace? With the 30ish pick in each round every year, Veach started this run with an absolutely bare cupboard on defense. In the time it took Mahomes to win 3 in 6, Veach finally got the defense built up through the draft and has transformed the entire OL and WR room (minus Hardman) at least once.
He gets to keep Andy AND Veach for the next 6 years? AND Spags? Look, I get it, it's really really hard to win a Super Bowl even with an elite QB, and we shouldn't take last year's "weakest" Mahomes team winning the Super Bowl to mean we'll win it every year we're even slightly better, but come on. All the potential challenges outlined in RunKC's scenario are easier than the ones he just went through in his first six seasons, and now he's rolling with the benefit of playing in his prime.
I'll say this-- I certainly won't be disappointed if he doesn't match the first six years, but I also won't be surprised at all if he surpasses it. [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
What makes me think that 3 SB’s might not happen is regression/retirement of Travis Kelce and Chris Jones after 2-3 years.
I think if this were a betting odd then the over/under would be set at 2.5 SB wins. It’s hard to say but I am stuck on the fence between 2 and 3 SB wins.
I'm not worried at all about Kelce retiring. With Mahomes in his prime and Andy still at the helm? Yeah, there will be a transition, just like there was with Tyreek. We will never replace Kelce, but we will innovate the offense differently and likely still be very successful with a very good TE (Wiley might be that guy). Mahomes has won Super Bowls with all kinds of different offensive personnel. Plus, think about his OL-- each SB was won with a completely different pair of starting tackles! [Reply]
Originally Posted by RunKC:
So we know at this point that Andy has been with Mahomes as a starter for 6 years and the results speak for themselves.
The next 6 years will run through Mahomes prime and Andy is signed through that time. Let’s assume a few things:
1. Andy coaches all 6 years
2. Spags coaches all 6 years and retires with Andy at the end of the 2029 season
3. Kelce plays 2 more seasons as planned and then retires
4. Chris Jones plays 3 more seasons
5. The Chiefs lose Dave Merritt in 2025 when his son graduates and heads to college
6. Mahomes does not suffer a significant injury in the next 6 years
What do you think? Can they possibly match the success they had in the first 6 years? Poll incoming
Let's just assume they win every SB until Mahomes retires. [Reply]
The beauty is the Chiefs have one of the youngest rosters in the league. Kelce is the old man on the team but considering the position he plays he could pull a Tony G and play through majority of Mahomes career if he really wanted to if his body lets him. As long as Veach keeps managing the cap and drafting for the long term like he has when some play themselves into 2nd contacts we can't afford I don't see a down period.
Ceiling is greatest dynasty of all time, floor is making the playoffs almost every year. [Reply]
No team has ever had anywhere near that kind of sustained dominance over a 12 year period but there has never been a player in NFL history anywhere near as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t bet against him accomplishing anything. [Reply]
I feel like anything less than 2 Super Bowl appearances in the next 6 seasons would be disappointing. A lot can happen with an NFL team over 6 seasons, but if Mahomes and Reid are here, getting to the big game 2 out of 6 feels like a reasonable minimum expectation. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KC_Connection:
No team has ever had anywhere near that kind of sustained dominance over a 12 year period but there has never been a player in NFL history anywhere near as good as Mahomes. I wouldn’t bet against him accomplishing anything.
Has there been a team that has kept the same HC/QB combo for that long other than the Pats? That seems to be the key. [Reply]
Originally Posted by George Liquor:
It sure was a weird transition going from thinking I'll never see them win the Superbowl, to expecting it every year.
From your mouth to God’s ears.
I have to remind myself how special this is and to enjoy the moment rather than ruining it by dropping unrealistic expectations such as a championship every year. [Reply]
Originally Posted by J Diddy:
From your mouth to God’s ears.
I have to remind myself how special this is and to enjoy the moment rather than ruining it by dropping unrealistic expectations such as a championship every year.
I said it after the LVI win, I'm happy. I finally got to see my Chiefs win the SB, and I honestly didn't think that would happen, until we lost the AFCCG to the Patriots. After that game, and really that season, it seemed inevitable that we would get at least one. Now that we have, I truly honestly view the rest of this as gravy.
Having said that, the prospect of a 3 peat to cement Mahomes' legacy...I want it a lot. If it doesn't happen, I still say he's the best to ever do it, but man...if we can get a 3 peat, there is no denying that KC is currently the greatest franchise in the history of the league.
I think just by the law of averages it will be difficult for Mahomes and Co ro replicate the success they've had in the first six years. I'd say I expect another SB appearance, MAYBE two but Mahomes could play just as good or a little better and we still might not replicate the success we've had. [Reply]
