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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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O.city 03:04 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by tk13:
I agree with you. Farmers can see the problems coming over the hill that no one else can see, and people should be listening to them.

The problem is you're willing to accept that but not what the doctors and scientists say are also spending every day fighting this virus. You're just picking and choosing what you want to hear.
Pretty much

But i will say, it's just a shitsandwhich that's gonna require some uh, hard choices.

Looking at it from the medical side, we have a virus that effects the elderly at a higher rate than the young whereas food shortages and such, well, thats an everyone problem.
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BleedingRed 03:06 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by tk13:
I agree with you. Farmers can see the problems coming over the hill that no one else can see, and people should be listening to them.

The problem is you're willing to accept that but not what the doctors and scientists say are also spending every day fighting this virus. You're just picking and choosing what you want to hear.
Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

MEANWHILE

All Farmers and Ranchers are pretty much saying the same shit...
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Donger 03:08 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE

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SAUTO 03:09 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Well Im sure some would, but unemployment is more than most made anyways right now.

In 6 months when it runs out what then?
Ok so then why keep bringing up those 34 million unemployed? Are you saying that at least some of them are by choice?
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BleedingRed 03:12 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by SAUTO:
Ok so then why keep bringing up those 34 million unemployed? Are you saying that at least some of them are by choice?
Not what we were talking about, don't read into Donger was arguing 19 meat packing plants were closed.
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jdubya 03:13 PM 05-11-2020
Someday common sense will prevail.

1. If you can work from home, great

2. If you are young and healthy and want to work, get to work

3. If you feel sick, stay home

4. If elderly or have comorbidities, stay home and make arrangements for care and shopping needs.

5. Washing hands routinely, getting plenty of rest and eating healthy do more for your immune system and prevention than almost every mask out there. Most masks are useless and improperly worn anyway.

Stop the madness already
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dirk digler 03:18 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Mecca:
The smartest thing you can do at Costco is go right around 9, they open at 8 for old people shop and if you get there at 9, no one questions your age yet they're real open isn't until 10 so you can get in and out super fast.

yep got there a little after 9 on Sunday and got in fairly quickly. they keep the people to a minimum which is great along with forcing masks.
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Titty Meat 03:27 PM 05-11-2020
Sounds like our testing process which is most critical to returning to normal is still lagging behind most kd the world
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BleedingRed 03:28 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Sounds like our testing process which is most critical to returning to normal is still lagging behind most kd the world
:-)
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stumppy 03:32 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
:-)

Ain't it the truth.
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'Hamas' Jenkins 03:33 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

MEANWHILE

All Farmers and Ranchers are pretty much saying the same shit...
It's really hard to have any respect for this point of view when the evidence has been laid bare before you multiple times and you're still too stupid/stubborn to acknowledge it.

Current treatment guidelines do not support the use of hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic or therapeutic measure


The largest study yet conducted on hydroxychloroquine use in COVID-19 found no benefit, and the study authors removed its use from institutional protocol.
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dirk digler 03:34 PM 05-11-2020
Here is the study everyone was waiting for. NY released their trial info for HCQ

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2766117

Originally Posted by :
Question Among patients with coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), is there an association between use of hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, and in-hospital mortality?


Findings In a retrospective cohort study of 1438 patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York, compared with treatment with neither drug, the adjusted hazard ratio for in-hospital mortality for treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone was 1.08, for azithromycin alone was 0.56, and for combined hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin was 1.35. None of these hazard ratios were statistically significant.


Meaning Among patients hospitalized with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both was not associated with significantly lower in-hospital mortality.


From a sample of 7914 patients with COVID-19 admitted in New York metropolitan hospitals during March 15 through 28, a total of 2362 records were randomly selected, and 1438 were abstracted and included in the analyses (Figure 1). The date of final follow-up was April 24, 2020. Of these patients, 735 (51.1%) received hydroxychloroquine + azithromycin, 271 (18.8%) received hydroxychloroquine alone, 211 (14.7%) received azithromycin alone, and 221 (15.4%) received neither drug.

Among patients hospitalized in metropolitan New York with COVID-19, treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, or both, compared with neither treatment, was not significantly associated with differences in in-hospital mortality. However, the interpretation of these findings may be limited by the observational design.

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DaneMcCloud 03:35 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.
The FDA cautioned using that drug for COVID-19 patients. Many studies have said it's ineffective against the virus and another was published today by the Journal of the American Medical Association saying it was ineffective.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/11/healt...rus/index.html

Yet another study shows hydroxychloroquine doesn't work against Covid-19

A new study -- the largest of its kind -- shows that hydroxychloroquine, the drug touted by the White House, does not work against Covid-19 and could cause heart problems. The study was published Monday in the Journal of the American Medical Association. It follows a study published Thursday in the New England Journal of Medicine that also showed the drug doesn't fight the virus.

Even before these reports were published, the US Food and Drug Administration and the National Institutes of Health issued warnings about using the drugs for coronavirus patients. "The nail has virtually been put in the coffin of hydroxychloroquine," said Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease expert and longtime adviser to the US Centers for Disease.
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Titty Meat 03:41 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Considering I hear Doctors from all over the world proclaiming HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE works and other Doctors saying it doesnt work... Kinda make it hard to decide who to believe.

MEANWHILE

All Farmers and Ranchers are pretty much saying the same shit...
This has been debunked as a right wing talking point for nearly 2 months now.
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TLO 03:44 PM 05-11-2020
Originally Posted by Titty Meat:
Sounds like our testing process which is most critical to returning to normal is still lagging behind most kd the world
How exactly is it lagging behind most of the world?
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