Because of all the interest in this thread, I've place all of the video content of Patrick Mahomes II's college career, and draft day goodness into a single post that can be found here. Enjoy! [Reply]
I don't understand why some of you can't just watch the replay and see the obvious for yourselves. I had the benefit of watching the aspect angle on NFL.com's Gamepass, but really just watch the replay at half speed and all of this becomes pretty obvious. It was a bad throw by Mahomes, period.
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Just telling like it is. Watch the All-22 when it comes out. Not many WRs make that catch. Maybe just the elite ones. A WR that has literally only played the position for 4 years, two in college/two in the NFL, is at a major disadvantage.
Regardless, it was a bad throw by Mahomes. The worst of the day.
It was an inaccurate throw, behind Mecole, but it did hit him on the hands and without a defender in close proximity, it is a difficult catch you would expect an NFL WR to make to help out his QB. [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
It was an inaccurate throw, behind Mecole, but it did hit him on the hands and without a defender in close proximity, it is a difficult catch you would expect an NFL WR to make to help out his QB.
It hit him on the fingertips, and he had to stop and turn completely around (actually about 270 degrees) to even get that much flesh on it.
It's not like it was a butterfly ball that he just had to make a small adjustment for while running nearly all out, or like some basket grab, where all he had to do was turn his upper body about 45 degrees and have it hit him about the hip.
He had to nearly come to a complete stop, turn around, reach out almost full extension (ask any receiver how hard it is to catch a ball while your arms are fully extended), and still only got about 6 fingertips on that ball, while it hummed past him low and away at about 40 mph.
Seriously, you guys either never tried to catch a ball before, and/or you refuse to understand the mechanics of what's on the screen.
It is possible for Patrick Lavon Mahomes II to throw a nearly uncatchable ball. It doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen.
And Mahomes is perfectly capable of throwing a much, MUCH better pass than the one he threw at Hardman. Especially when he's facing zero rush from a perfectly clean pocket. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
It hit him on the fingertips, and he had to stop and turn completely around (actually about 270 degrees) to even get that much flesh on it.
It's not like it was a butterfly ball that he just had to make a small adjustment for while running nearly all out, or like some basket grab, where all he had to do was turn his upper body about 45 degrees and have it hit him about the hip.
He had to nearly come to a complete stop, turn around, reach out almost full extension (ask any receiver how hard it is to catch a ball while your arms are fully extended), and still only got about 6 fingertips on that ball, while it hummed past him low and away at about 40 mph.
Seriously, you guys either never tried to catch a ball before, and/or you refuse to understand the mechanics of what's on the screen.
It is possible for Patrick Lavon Mahomes II to throw a nearly uncatchable ball. It doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen.
And Mahomes is perfectly capable of throwing a much, MUCH better pass than the one he threw at Hardman. Especially when he's facing zero rush from a perfectly clean pocket.
I agree with this. That play was more on Mahomes than Hardman. Yes it hit Hardman's hands but still an incredibly difficult catch especially when running at full speed. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
It hit him on the fingertips, and he had to stop and turn completely around (actually about 270 degrees) to even get that much flesh on it.
It's not like it was a butterfly ball that he just had to make a small adjustment for while running nearly all out, or like some basket grab, where all he had to do was turn his upper body about 45 degrees and have it hit him about the hip.
He had to nearly come to a complete stop, turn around, reach out almost full extension (ask any receiver how hard it is to catch a ball while your arms are fully extended), and still only got about 6 fingertips on that ball, while it hummed past him low and away at about 40 mph.
Seriously, you guys either never tried to catch a ball before, and/or you refuse to understand the mechanics of what's on the screen.
It is possible for Patrick Lavon Mahomes II to throw a nearly uncatchable ball. It doesn't happen all that often, but it does happen.
And Mahomes is perfectly capable of throwing a much, MUCH better pass than the one he threw at Hardman. Especially when he's facing zero rush from a perfectly clean pocket.
After rewatching the play, I move from 95% to 50% catch that ball... so both at fault. I stand corrected. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
So just watched the coaches film of the throw to Hardman that should've been a TD.
Turns out Mahomes wasn't just being nice; Hardman ran the right route which was basically a dagger concept right up the left hashes.
Patrick wasn't pressured at all (for once the OL held up perfectly), and I can't figure out who for TB was supposed to be covering Mecole there as they were running some kind of short zone with what looked like a single high safety that was lined up to the right side, so nowhere near Hardman's route.
Mecole initially has a DB lined up about 5 yards off at the snap, but when he goes, the guy doesn't go with him but instead stays short. Mecole runs untouched and slants slightly to his right, putting himself right on the leftside hashes. He looks over his right shoulder once he's past his DB, and Patrick, a little flat footed and facing directly upfield, zips the ball across his body at him at about 80 mph (slight exaggeration), but the ball is low and behind Hardman, like a fast-moving fading quail.
Mecole is forced to try and stop and turn completely around to make a stab at the ball.
However, the ball is going so fast that he never gets all the way around before it's on him. He never has much of a chance to catch that ball, due to its location and velocity. It was a minor miracle that he got his fingertips on it at all. If Hardman happened to have about another 10 inches of reach maybe he comes up with that reception.
But Mahomes needed to put that ball about a foot higher and at least two feet farther right, so Hardman could catch it and continue running to score. The location killed all of Hardman's speed by making him turn all the way around, and might've given the safety enough time to make the tackle even if he'd caught it.
Hell, if Patrick had just put a little air under that ball and taken about a third of the heat off of it, Hardman would've had time to make the adjustment, get himself turned around and composed himself to snatch it and run basically a corner type route and score.
Or even just throw it right over Hardman down the hashes, but again put some loft on the ball, and just let Mecole run under it, and he scores.
I said at the time that it was a bad throw because it was. Perhaps Hardman could have caught it, but it would have been difficult. It was a miss by Mahomes and it's ok to admit that, regardless of what Chief Fan wants to argue. [Reply]
Originally Posted by Megatron96:
Um, maybe. While Tyreek is faster, and can stop/start quicker than any other receiver in the league, he also is shorter, and has a significantly smaller catch radius than Watkins, and probably even Hardman. In other words, he's got shorter arms and smaller hands.
But due to his unearthly ability to stop and change direction I wouldn't put it past him to be able to grab that ball. Though we've also seen him miss several of those exact types of throws. Reference Pat's second pick in LIV; the ball was thrown behind Hill, it was also thrown around the beltline or lower, and was coming in hot. Hill's ability to stop and get himself turned around was shown off there, but his smaller catch radius helped create the bobble and ultimately the INT.
Watkins can't stop like Hill or even Hardman, but he's got a significantly larger catch radius, and better hands than either Hill/Hardman, so he'd have the the best shot at reeling that ball in. Assuming he could get stopped and turned around in time. I think it's more likely that he couldn't, and he'd try to reach back for it instead.
I don't understand why some of you can't just watch the replay and see the obvious for yourselves. I had the benefit of watching the aspect angle on NFL.com's Gamepass, but really just watch the replay at half speed and all of this becomes pretty obvious. It was a bad throw by Mahomes, period.
Again, though, it was pretty obvious when it happened. There was NOBODY near Hardman. Mahomes makes that throw in his sleep and will likely continue to make it 99% of the time. This was simply a misfire. [Reply]
3rd and 1. Closed formation, safety is force player in boundary (it's man).
Overpursuit by Devin White, Mahomes makes it worse by faking the pitch to CEH. Bursts up field inside Keizer for a nice gain when they only need a yard. Smart play. pic.twitter.com/QNrX7P7XBj
