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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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siberian khatru 01:47 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by ChiTown:
OK, so Soler is coming back. I am fine with that as long as that means that Moss sits and Boni stays in the lineup.
Knowing Ned, he'll sit Boni and put Soler in RF just so people won't think this move was about Moss.
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Jerok 02:02 PM 06-28-2017
Anyone curious about adding Miguel Montero?

https://kckingdom.com/2017/06/26/roy...ty-trade-talk/

We need a bat. 7 million 1 year is better than trading pieces away for one. This would be a huge upgrade, and since he's a catcher and most teams DH aren't absolutely god awful, I doubt too many teams would go after him.
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big nasty kcnut 02:06 PM 06-28-2017
No moss in lineup tonight.
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penbrook 02:09 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by Jerok:
Anyone curious about adding Miguel Montero?

https://kckingdom.com/2017/06/26/roy...ty-trade-talk/

We need a bat. 7 million 1 year is better than trading pieces away for one. This would be a huge upgrade, and since he's a catcher and most teams DH aren't absolutely god awful, I doubt too many teams would go after him.
He is fucking terrible. Don't want him at all or anywhere near the clubhouse. It will fuck with the Royals chemistry. He is a selfish player. He called out areieta yesterday for the Nats stealing 7 bases. Like come on dude you are 1 for 32 on throwing runners out. You're the problem!!
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penbrook 02:09 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut:
No moss in lineup tonight.
What does the lineup look like?
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C3HIEF3S 02:13 PM 06-28-2017
Per Dodd:

Royals Tonight:
Merrifield 4
Bonifacio 9
Cain 8
Hosmer 3
Perez 2
Moustakas 5
Soler DH
Escobar 6
Gordon 7

RHP Kennedy
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big nasty kcnut 02:16 PM 06-28-2017
I like it.
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C3HIEF3S 02:24 PM 06-28-2017
I don't know who listens to 610 anymore, but dear lord. I wasn't the biggest Danny Parkins fan, but this Brad Fanning dude who replaced him is a complete moron.
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duncan_idaho 02:25 PM 06-28-2017
It's getting really close to my dream lineup.

If Soler hits like we hope he can, I'd love to see him inserted into the No. 2 slot in the lineup eventually.

That would put three really good OBP guys on baseball in front of Moustakas and also cluster the Royals' six best hitters.


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Rooster 02:26 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S:
Per Dodd:

Royals Tonight:
Merrifield 4
Bonifacio 9
Cain 8
Hosmer 3
Perez 2
Moustakas 5
Soler DH
Escobar 6
Gordon 7

RHP Kennedy
:-) I like it. Let's go tiger hunting.
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duncan_idaho 02:31 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S:
I don't know who listens to 610 anymore, but dear lord. I wasn't the biggest Danny Parkins fan, but this Brad Fanning dude who replaced him is a complete moron.

And yet is still only the third dumbest guy doing drive time shows in the KC area.

Kietzman and Clinkscale being dumbest and second-dumbest, respectively.


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C3HIEF3S 03:05 PM 06-28-2017
If you have a few minutes to spare and are genuinely curious about the juiced ball theory, Rob Arthur of FiveThirtyEight just dropped this bad boy:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...cid=538twitter

Highly recommend clicking the link.

Spoiler!

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duncan_idaho 03:17 PM 06-28-2017
Those seem difference could help explain a few other things... namely spikes or drops in effectiveness of pitches that require the pitcher to spin the ball.

Kelvin Herrera's slider, for example, has nose-dived in effectiveness this year. Is the smaller, slicker, less-seamed ball to blame?

Conversely, Joakim Soria's split change has spiked in effectiveness. A smaller ball could allow him just a touch more control or effectiveness with that grip.

I still say KC made the right switch in moving from a contact-oriented approach to one that focuses more on power hitting. With the baseballs like this, you're crippled if you don't.


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C3HIEF3S 03:45 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by duncan_idaho:
Those seem difference could help explain a few other things... namely spikes or drops in effectiveness of pitches that require the pitcher to spin the ball.

Kelvin Herrera's slider, for example, has nose-dived in effectiveness this year. Is the smaller, slicker, less-seamed ball to blame?

Conversely, Joakim Soria's split change has spiked in effectiveness. A smaller ball could allow him just a touch more control or effectiveness with that grip.

I still say KC made the right switch in moving from a contact-oriented approach to one that focuses more on power hitting. With the baseballs like this, you're crippled if you don't.


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In regards to spin rate, how much of a dive in the rate itself is enough to warrant a drop in effectiveness? Of the data that Baseball Savant has, it shows that on average he is getting less RPM's on his slider, but it's not a particularly drastic amount. It was somewhere between 75-100 less than in 2016. Upon looking at the RPM vs MPH map again, it looks like Baseball Savant credited a lot of his sliders as curveballs last year, which were dismissed from the data I averaged, so this could be varied more.In your experience, is that drop itself enough to knock the bite off of a slider?

I also noticed he's throwing his slider at 86-89 mph, rather than 82-85 in 2016. IMO, I think the increased velocity and decrease in movement is essentially making it act like a flat cutter that dies in heart of the plate.

Location 2016:


Location 2017:


Velocity- note the slider, average in 2016: 83.95 mph, average in 2017: 86.89 mph:


All data from Baseball Savant.
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duncan_idaho 03:52 PM 06-28-2017
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S:
In regards to spin rate, how much of a dive in the rate itself is enough to warrant a drop in effectiveness? Of the data that Baseball Savant has, it shows that on average he is getting less RPM's on his slider, but it's not a particularly drastic amount. It was somewhere between 75-100 less than in 2016. In your experience, is that drop itself enough to knock the bite off of a slider?

I also noticed he's throwing his slider at 86-89 mph, rather than 82-85 in 2016. IMO, I think the increased velocity and decrease and movement is essentially making it act like a flat cutter that dies in heart of the plate.

Location 2016:


Location 2017:


Velocity- note the slider, average in 2016: 83.95 mph, average in 2017: 86.89 mph:


All data from Baseball Savant.

I don't know about spin rate, but I can speak to the velocity, I think.

If he's throwing the slider with the same grip and less raised seams, it's possible he isn't getting the same type of resistance from the baseball. I suppose that could affect spin rate, and I know from experience that it can really affect your ability to get the break and velocity drop you want.

Typically, on a slider, less velocity is going to give the rotation/air resistance more time to affect the ball's drop.

Personal story that kind of relates:

I remember one travel ball game in Southeast Missouri, forget which town, might be Jackson, in which the balls were so poker (home team provided the balls) we had to work something out with the throw to second to make sure I got a ball with seams I could use to throw my slider.

Basically, we had the SS hang on to his final practice bouncer from 1B and switch the balls during the throw down.




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