Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
Originally Posted by jerryaldini:
Regardless of how bad the virus ultimately is, with the widespread shutdowns and market meltdown affecting sentiment it's nearly a given we are entering recession, but hopefully a mild one if it gets contained in time. Even the normally liquid Treasury market melted down today as primary dealer balance sheets couldn't handle the volume of funds moving to cash, and the 10 and 30 year yields spiked again (selloff) and the ETFs went to huge discounts to net asset value, which for Treasuries is crazy. In other words, investors shunned even safe government debt in search of liquidity.
Fed stepped in with huge repo moving repo rate down 50 basis points (likely cut fed funds 100 next week now if not before the meeting), calmed stocks for a bit, then straight down again.
This is not 08 because banks' capital is healthy and their liquidity is adequate, at least for now. No need to panic. Stocks shouldn't be too far from bottom now, unless there's an unforseen spike in US cases. Meanwhile a couple leveraged energy ETFs had to delist today and high yield energy spreads are 15%. Good times.
The Costco in Burbank was so packed that there was no parking and people were fighting over toilet paper, even though there was a sign at the entrance stating "1 Toilet Paper Only - No exceptions".
Are there any others nearby? The two here in Overland Park and Lenexa are fairly close to each other so it probably helps but either way there’s not as many people. [Reply]
Originally Posted by mr. tegu:
Are there any others nearby? The two here in Overland Park and Lenexa are fairly close to each other so it probably helps but either way there’s not as many people.
I live in a city of 20 million people and every market, whether it's Ralphs, Trader Joe's, Albertson's, Von's or Costco have clean shelves.
I spoke to the manager at the Studio City Ralphs today and he told me that they had two truck deliveries this morning and their shelves were nearly emptied by noon today.
I can't even purchase toilet paper from Costco.com and everyone is out of pasta, including Walmart.com and Target.com.
The manager at the Hollywood TJ's told a close friend this morning at 10am, when the shelves were completely emptied, that their store was doing $1 million dollars of business per day the past few days. [Reply]
Or any other place that has community spread.. There's either something way off with her numbers, or the virus truly has much much MUCH milder symptoms than anyone has predicted. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TLO:
I saw the articles on Google - but the numbers are mind blowing. Ohio has more cases or equal to China, Italy, South Korea?
And what does that say of Washington State? The entire state would be infected at this point.
Since there aren't nearly enough tests available to the public, no one can say with any accuracy the number of infected, which is part of the reason why everything is shutting down.
3.5% of the American population would mean that more than 11 million people could die from this virus.
Take all of the precautions you can afford. [Reply]
Have not read all posts. What scares the hell out of me is the virus goes dormant since spring and summer are coming so the chance of "flu" and "colds" should recede. Then fall and winter come and BAM! Corona 2.0 rears it's ugly head. This really sucks. [Reply]
Originally Posted by TribalElder:
It only kills old people with other health problems right?
asking for a friend
In addition to the elderly, anyone with a "Compromised" immunity, either from high blood pressure, Diabetes Type I & II, chemotherapy, radiation, recent surgeries, obesity or a combination of the above, are at a severe high risk of being infected by this disease when exposed, and will most likely have extreme difficulty in recovering. [Reply]
Originally Posted by BigRedChief:
it already exists. The USA declined to use it and developed, botched and then redeveloped our own test. Made any tests go to the CDC. Now they are not even considering remote or drive by testing. Whoever has the Presidents ear needs to get up into said ear and tell him this is a ****ing crisis. We need to go outside the normal processes here too like South Korea and China did successfully.
At home testing would be the best possible way to contain this thing. Sure the cost would be high, but it's only a fraction of how much money will be lost due to this. [Reply]
Was needing to get TP because I just put the last roll in. Had to go to 4 stores because only a select few stores are completely sold out. Ground hamburger seemed to be on a lot of people's essential list as well because that shit was cleaned out too. And I only live in a city of ~113k and there is no confirmed case of coronavirus within 200 miles. Shits fucking ridiculous. [Reply]
