Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.
We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.
Thanks!
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Spoiler!
Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.
California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.
“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”
The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.
The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”
Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.
The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.
The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.
A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.
Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.
“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”
It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.
“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”
On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.
“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”
According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.
More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.
But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.
“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”
CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.
Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.
“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”
I shouldn't be surprised by the people who are misconstruing the purpose of the lockdown orders and continually moving the goalposts (peak irony), but the purpose is pretty clear and has been established largely worldwide
1) You initiate the lockdown to gain control over the spread of the virus which helps you understand the severity of the impact.
2) That lockdown buys you time to ensure that your hospital system is not overwhelmed, which saves lives due to better quality of care and ensuring that PPE is not exhausted (which saves the lives of skilled healthcare workers that can't be replaced without years of training).
3) The lockdown gives you time to develop a strategy for testing to determine community spread and tracing to mitigate future hotspots of infection
4) The lockdown gets your R(e) low enough to begin noticing a decrease in caseload, as has been in Europe, Asia, New Zealand, Australia, etc. Once you notice two weeks of decreasing caseload, you can begin a procedure of gradual reopening. If your distancing measures maintain R(e) <1, the virus will begin to die out.
This is not particularly controversial. The US has not undergone a lockdown more prolonged or severe than other countries. The difference is that a vocal minority of people that have downplayed the seriousness of the disease from the beginning are bullying governments into opening before caseload reduction requirements have been met. Then if it blows up they'll say that there was nothing that could be done because it was always going to blow up, which is like saying that if you stop taking antibiotics on the second day of a UTI that any flareup that happens thereafter is the failure of the drug and not the patient's adherence to therapy.
There's a reason why people who study this stuff for their entire adult lives are recommending these procedures. [Reply]
Originally Posted by petegz28:
BTW AirBNB announced they are laying off 1,900 employees and Norwegian Cruise Lines is close to shutting down for good.
I was listening to something and it broke down the number of Airbnb renters who had just 1 property, 5-10, and 10+
I thought Airbnb was renting an extra room, or you move to a new city and rent your old house. I didn't realize there were tons of people who made it a business by taking on dozens of mortgages. They had a lady on who'd bought 26 houses. She had no idea what she was gonna do. That's a ton of leverage. Works until it doesn't, I guess [Reply]
Since many states/cities have had anti-mask laws in place for several decades now, it would seem like there is a good reason for why these laws were enacted in the first place. [Reply]
Originally Posted by ChiliConCarnage:
I was listening to something and it broke down the number of Airbnb renters who had just 1 property, 5-10, and 10+
I thought Airbnb was renting an extra room, or you move to a new city and rent your old house. I didn't realize there were tons of people who made it a business by taking on dozens of mortgages. They had a lady on who'd bought 26 houses. She had no idea what she was gonna do. That's a ton of leverage. Works until it doesn't, I guess
Bigger question is when she has a heart attack from extreme anxiety do we list it as a Covid death since it was Covid related? [Reply]
Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88:
Since many states/cities have had anti-mask laws in place for several decades now, it would seem like there is a good reason for why these laws were enacted in the first place.
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I'm surprised they haven't already. What do they have people doing right now?
They took govt. money and can't lay anyone off till the fall. Which helps for now and hopefully things are getting going again in the fall. The going to have to lay people off then though as there is no way flights are close to back to normal [Reply]
So you think that wearing surgical masks in public during a respiratory pandemic is equivalent to wearing the hood of the most infamous terrorist organization in the country's history?
Consider yourself fortunate you have an autonomic nervous system, cause you're too fucking stupid to breathe on your own. [Reply]
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
So you think that wearing surgical masks in public during a respiratory pandemic is equivalent to wearing the hood of the most infamous terrorist organization in the country's history?
Consider yourself fortunate you have an autonomic nervous system, cause you're too ****ing stupid to breathe on your own.
It is amazing that KC88 and a few others in this thread haven’t tried to disinfect their bodies by drinking bleach. [Reply]