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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

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BWillie 09:12 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I looked it up. 9 million die from starvation and starvation-related illness every year.
How many in the United States? To die of starvation in the United States I would imagine you would have to have a mental illness or be secluded somewhere that has no public services. If you live anywhere close to a population center, there is absolutely no reason to ever starve. You can eat at meal kitchens every single day if you wanted. It's slop, but you wouldn't die of starvation. Food stamps are quite easy to obtain as well, but I would imagine those that struggle the most with hunger in the USA are large families sad to say and those with mental illness.
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BleedingRed 09:13 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by BWillie:
How many in the United States? To die of starvation in the United States I would imagine you would have to have a mental illness or be secluded somewhere that has no public services. If you live anywhere close to a population center, there is absolutely no reason to ever starve. You can eat at meal kitchens every single day if you wanted. It's slop, but you wouldn't die of starvation.
Exactly how would you suggest people do that safely with COVID going on?
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petegz28 09:14 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins:
People aren't going to die of starvation because they can't get a Double at Wendy's for a few weeks. Jesus Christ.
The fuck you say!!!! We will take to the fucking streets in droves. DROVES!!!!
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Donger 09:14 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
but thank god we stemmed the tide of COVID.
Yes, indeed.

Would you have preferred some other course of action/inaction? If so, what?
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Monticore 09:15 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
They have their Agenda's let em be, follow the science and experts who are saying this is turning into a real possibility.

Millions of people dying of starvation, but thank god we stemmed the tide of COVID.
There is a British group that helps the homeless and poor all over the world and the US has been one of it's primary destinations , which seems odds for a first world nation. It would be hard to discuss why without getting political.
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petegz28 09:16 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
I looked it up. 9 million die from starvation and starvation-related illness every year.
And you're worried about 60k-80k from Covid????? :-)
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tk13 09:16 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I dont think thats what he was actually saying.



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/pa...ard-starvation
I'm not sure who's disagreeing with that. There's going to be serious damage and pain with the way we're going.

The problem is you believe there's an alternative. You really believe that the economy is going to return to normal? That if you just open things wide up, consumer spending will return to normal, no supply chains will be disrupted by the virus, and things will be okay? Notice no one ever answers that question, they just complain about how things are now while offering no better alternative.

The meat processing plants are the perfect example. You're sitting here complaining about "starvation" from an example from part of the economy that didn't shut down at all, in fact consumer spending in that area probably went up, and it got hammered.
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Donger 09:16 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
And you're worried about 60k-80k from Covid????? :-)
Yes. Starvation isn't contagious.
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Monticore 09:17 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
And you're worried about 60k-80k from Covid????? :-)
The point is it seems to have only become an issue all of a sudden for some when there was already a problem.
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BWillie 09:18 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Exactly how would you suggest people do that safely with COVID going on?
I was speaking of pre-Covid. It is more difficult to get these people food during these times. I hope the welfare state and the church run soup kitchens are mobilizing those services right now.

The point I believe you were making though, is that meat packing plants lack of efficiency as of late will make us go hungry. Which isn't true. The same obstacles that those in poverty face before will exist now, albeit magnified to some degree.
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BleedingRed 09:19 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by tk13:
I'm not sure who's disagreeing with that. There's going to be serious damage and pain with the way we're going.

The problem is you believe there's an alternative. You really believe that the economy is going to return to normal? That if you just open things wide up, consumer spending will return to normal, no supply chains will be disrupted by the virus, and things will be okay? Notice no one ever answers that question, they just complain about how things are now while offering no better alternative.

The meat processing plants are the perfect example. You're sitting here complaining about "starvation" from an example from part of the economy that didn't shut down at all, in fact consumer spending in that area probably went up, and it got hammered.
It about a balance which some people have lost sight off (The people who wanna stay locked up regardless, they are in this thread)

The ripple effect will kill Millions. And if in the end it turns our the Virus would burn out at lets say 1 Millions world wide (who knows) the hindsight of killing 100's of million will be just great....
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petegz28 09:20 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
Yes. Starvation isn't contagious.
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The point is it seems to have only become an issue all of a sudden for some when there was already a problem.
It was sarcasm...JFC
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BleedingRed 09:21 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by Monticore:
The point is it seems to have only become an issue all of a sudden for some when there was already a problem.
The point is the supply chain has been massively affected, and people out of work adding to the depression doesn't help that supply chain.

This shut down has to end, and the reasons are very apparent. Do it in stages, do it as safely as possible.

Just remember not one single expert said the Shut Down was to keep people from getting it. They always estimated the same number of people would get it.
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tk13 09:21 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
It about a balance which some people have lost sight off (The people who wanna stay locked up regardless, they are in this thread)

The ripple effect will kill Millions. And if in the end it turns our the Virus would burn out at lets say 1 Millions world wide (who knows) the hindsight of killing 100's of million will be just great....
What ripple effect?

Let's keep this simple. What part of any meat or food shortage is related to shutting the economy down? These meat processing plants never closed or laid anyone off. Answer that question.
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BleedingRed 09:23 AM 05-05-2020
Originally Posted by tk13:
What ripple effect?

Let's keep this simple. What part of any meat or food shortage is related to shutting the economy down? These meat processing plants never closed or laid anyone off. Answer that question.
Consumption, this would be the demand side of the economics.

Crop Waste/Live Stock Waste is a real issue right now.
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