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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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In58men 02:29 PM 12-11-2018
I wouldn’t play him in rainy conditions.
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OKchiefs 02:29 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I'm done having conversation with you ****ing dumbasses. You are seriously ****ing stupid.
What I see here is a two-sided argument, with opposing views being categorized under the pro-Berry and anti-Berry groups. The anti-Berry crowd state their opinions and arguments, right or wrong. The pro-Berry crowd state their opinions, but they also engage in insults and mudslinging. Hmm, not able to have a discussion without throwing personal insults?
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Perineum Ripper 02:29 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
You're telling me there's no contract language regarding responsibilities of both parties? There's always talk of contract language saying athletes can't engage in certain activities such as extreme sports, is it really that farfetched to think there could be contract language regarding the responsibility of the player to make sure his body is able and ready to perform? Plus, I would argue the current Haglund Deformity is a non-football injury that developed off the field and he should be a candidate to be put on the NFI list.
How could you even begin to argue the Haglund is a non football injury and prove that? How could you even begin to argue that well enough to put him on the NFI or breech of contract?
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htismaqe 02:29 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
You're telling me there's no contract language regarding responsibilities of both parties? There's always talk of contract language saying athletes can't engage in certain activities such as extreme sports, is it really that farfetched to think there could be contract language regarding the responsibility of the player to make sure his body is able and ready to perform? Plus, I would argue the current Haglund Deformity is a non-football injury that developed off the field and he should be a candidate to be put on the NFI list.
Even it's NFI-eligible it's still a health issue that no amount of conditioning can prevent. The team would have to make the case that his issue could have been prevented if he had done something more, other than have surgery. They cannot force him to have surgery and there will never be a contract in any line or work that tries that. There are laws in place that prevent people from undergoing unwanted medical procedures, regardless of necessity.
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htismaqe 02:31 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
What I see here is a two-sided argument, with opposing views being categorized under the pro-Berry and anti-Berry groups. The anti-Berry crowd state their opinions and arguments, right or wrong. The pro-Berry crowd state their opinions, but they also engage in insults and mudslinging. Hmm, not able to have a discussion without throwing personal insults?
Two problems with this:

1. There's plenty of insults and mudslinging coming from the anti-Berry crowd. That's just plain false.

2. There are people here that aren't pro-Berry or anti-Berry and just look at the situation for what it is.
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OKchiefs 02:31 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by In58men:
I wouldn’t play him in rainy conditions.
And come playoff time, do we sit him if it's snowing or raining?

It's crunch time right now. What are we saving him for? You really think he's going to come in during the playoffs with zero rust? He has 3 weeks now to get ready. Play him now or send his ass to IR and off the sidelines.
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htismaqe 02:32 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by In58men:
I wouldn’t play him in rainy conditions.
It's the most important game of the season. He needs to play.
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The Franchise 02:33 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It's the most important game of the season. He needs to play.
This.
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O.city 02:34 PM 12-11-2018
You can't force people to get surgeries. That's a little communistic
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GloryDayz 02:38 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
I just wonder what the plan is for after this year. Is he going to have surgery on it? They can't go in to next year with this again.
Day-to-day.
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htismaqe 02:39 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
You can't force people to get surgeries. That's a little communistic
In this country, it's currently illegal.
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GloryDayz 02:42 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Because at this point we gain nothing from cutting him but could gain greatly from him playing. That's easily apparent to anyone with more than 1 working brain cell.

And if there was an upgrade out there readily available why would Parker and Sorenson still be on the field? That blows up your entire narrative.
:-) That's the problem dipshit!

Both Parker and Sorenson have out-played Eric this year! Dumbass...
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GloryDayz 02:44 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
:-)

I guess you missed when they tried to trade for a safety before the deadline?

Jesus Christ your football acumen is right at the same level as your emotional development.
Acumen? Really? Shut the fuck up, you're the one selling your soul to a man who won't play and pimping day-to-day for 15 weeks!

:-) :-)
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dirk digler 02:53 PM 12-11-2018
Sounds like he practiced today so hopefully he will play on Thursday. Then he will get 10 days rest before we play the Seahags.
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Lzen 02:57 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
:-) That's the problem dipshit!

Both Parker and Sorenson have out-played Eric this year! Dumbass...
Good Lord, have you watched Parker play this year? Berry at 50% would still be better than Parker.
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