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Nzoner's Game Room>Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
DaFace 01:06 PM 09-29-2018
Yes, it's in the other thread. Bite me.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2018/...ty-on-his-heel

REPORT: Eric Berry has a Haglund’s deformity on his heel
New information on Berry’s sore heel injury emerged on Saturday.

By Pete Sweeney Sep 29, 2018, 1:15pm CDT

Eric Berry has not practiced or played for the Kansas City Chiefs since August 11 in St. Joseph, Missouri, because of what the team has described as a “sore heel.”

The last we heard from the Chiefs athletic training staff was in early September, when head athletic trainer Rick Burkholder described the injury as “literally day to day.”

More information on Berry’s injury emerged Saturday morning, via NFL Network’s Mike Garafolo:

Mike Garafolo: “My understanding, and I’ve spoken to people familiar with his injury situation. He’s got what’s called a Haglund’s deformity in that Achilles. That’s a bone spur that basically digs into the Achilles. Shaun O’ Hara, our colleague at NFL Network, he had it. I spoke to him this week. He said it is extremely painful. He actually used a more colorful word that I won’t use here. It’s just something that continues to irritate the area. Some guys have been able to play with it—you get a shoe here or there, you can adjust … but that’s what’s going on. It’s going to be a pain management thing. It’s not like this thing will tear the Achilles necessarily. A lot of these cases don’t result in a tear, but that’s why with Berry right now, he has not played, and they’ve been doing OK. That’s going to allow them a little bit more patience with Berry, but it is extremely painful.”

This provides a little more clarity than Berry’s injury simply being a “sore heel,” which is good, but what’s bad is there still seems to be no timetable. Remember, Berry missed nearly the entirety of the 2017 season due to a ruptured Achilles on the other leg.

Chiefs head coach Andy Reid was mum on the injury when asked about it Saturday afternoon after the Chiefs’ final practice of the week.

Berry is officially ruled doubtful heading into the Monday night game against the Denver Broncos.

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Here are the notes from our in-house medical expert, Aaron Borgmann:

A lot of talk today regarding something known as a Haglund’s deformity. It was reported by a media source that the player in question suffers from this condition. This discussion is not to confirm or deny that possibility, as I can only explain the available information that we have been given. To be clear, the team has not confirmed this diagnosis and I have no advance knowledge of the player’s current condition.

The simple explanation here that it is indeed a bone spur on the backside of someone’s heel. This is frequently known as a “pump bump” from the occurrence that it is often seen in women’s fashion from the shoes that they wear. However, incidence in football players is also common, sometimes referred to as “retrocalcaneal bursitis” as well.

The bone spur irritates the bursa (fluid-filled sac) that sits between the bone and the tendon or even the tendon itself directly. This can cause a great deal of inflammation and discomfort with any sort of dynamic ankle/foot movement, worse with pressure on the spot itself.

Having one in and of itself it not uncommon, but the degree to which it bothers someone is the issue. Depending upon demands of movement, these can range from debilitating to just a nuisance. Obviously, in football players, the degree of inflammation is what dictates the level of function.

These are diagnosed both visually and radiographically and it is a situation where if you see it and player complains of certain symptoms (pain with movement in that exact spot, swelling, redness) then you can be pretty sure that is what it is.

Treatment focuses on reduction of inflammation obviously directly over the spot. This can be done both topically and through systemic medication. Soft tissue lengthening in both the calf and bottom of the foot is also done to alleviate the issue from both sides – this is due to the fact that both the calf and plantar fascia connect to the calcaneus (heel bone) on either side.

Not to be forgotten is footwear modification and adjustment. Very rigid shoes can cause this irritation, and in some athletes, I would even cut the shoe in the heel to allow room for the bump. Other options include specialized padding and friction reduction methods. Heel lifts have been shown to be helpful in some.

For this condition, non-surgical intervention is preferred to reduce the inflammation as opposed to surgical due to the immobilization period.

If the inflammation can be reduced and the function level high, many players learned to adapt their daily routines to accommodate. They may have to put in a bit more time in order to get ready due to the condition’s demands but can nonetheless get by and still perform at a high level.
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GloryDayz 01:44 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by Mecca:
How about because this time of year you'd find nothing but scrubs?

I'd always figured this was the game they were waiting on him returning for because a win here and he can be very light the next 2 weeks with another week off after.
I'm pretty sure he could have been on IR since week 7 (when it was clear the "day-to-day" bullshit was indeed bullshit), let somebody from the practice squad make a few tackles and get better at the top level, maybe find somebody serviceable before the trade deadline, then bring him back this week under the IR-Return Designation rule, right? Granted, the "find somebody before the trade deadline" should have happened regardless, but my point is IR isn't all year, it's 8 weeks, and they should have seen through the bullshit by week-7.

And I'm shocked at how fragile it sounds like he is. Remember, this guy beasts every day in his workout program. So, depending on the minute of the day from his supporters, he's a porcelain doll, a beast who Superman can't compete with, rusty, and also rust proof. When all we know is he, so far, won't even put on a uniform. Do they really think his body's only going to last 5-50 snaps before it snaps itself?
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OKchiefs 02:00 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
I just wonder what the plan is for after this year. Is he going to have surgery on it? They can't go in to next year with this again.
Well, not sure why he would if he didn't do surgery this past offseason. He had issues with the same heel in 2017, yet nobody thought to inspect it further? This whole debacle could have been avoided.
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O.city 02:01 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Well, not sure why he would if he didn't do surgery this past offseason. He had issues with the same heel in 2017, yet nobody thought to inspect it further? This whole debacle could have been avoided.
So coming off recovery of tearing the achilles in his other foot, you'd have had him have surgery on the other one?

Yeah, probably not ideal.
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threebag 02:03 PM 12-11-2018
At this point I’d rather have fan favorite DJ back at least he would see the field
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OKchiefs 02:06 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by O.city:
So coming off recovery of tearing the achilles in his other foot, you'd have had him have surgery on the other one?

Yeah, probably not ideal.
Why not? It should be his contractual obligation to make sure his body is ready to perform. As far as I'm concerned the team should be able to sue him for breach of contract and void the remaining years. I know that will never happen because of the PR hit, but Berry clearly has not lived up to his end of the deal.
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Marcellus 02:08 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
So, by your logic, if we're 11-2 without him, why do we keep him? Why not cut him and add somebody who can play?
Because at this point we gain nothing from cutting him but could gain greatly from him playing. That's easily apparent to anyone with more than 1 working brain cell.

And if there was an upgrade out there readily available why would Parker and Sorenson still be on the field? That blows up your entire narrative.
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Marcellus 02:11 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by GloryDayz:
I'm pretty sure he could have been on IR since week 7 (when it was clear the "day-to-day" bullshit was indeed bullshit), let somebody from the practice squad make a few tackles and get better at the top level, maybe find somebody serviceable before the trade deadline, then bring him back this week under the IR-Return Designation rule, right? Granted, the "find somebody before the trade deadline" should have happened regardless, but my point is IR isn't all year, it's 8 weeks, and they should have seen through the bullshit by week-7.
:-)

I guess you missed when they tried to trade for a safety before the deadline?

Jesus Christ your football acumen is right at the same level as your emotional development.
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threebag 02:13 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
Because at this point we gain nothing from cutting him but could gain greatly from him playing. That's easily apparent to anyone with more than 1 working brain cell.

And if there was an upgrade out there readily available why would Parker and Sorenson still be on the field? That blows up your entire narrative.
If Berry is okay with watching them two from the sideline he isn’t close to seeing the field. Especially the game against the Ravens
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Marcellus 02:16 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by threebag02:
If Berry is okay with watching them two from the sideline he isn’t close to seeing the field. Especially the game against the Ravens

I'm done having conversation with you ****ing dumbasses. You are seriously ****ing stupid.
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threebag 02:18 PM 12-11-2018
Sad that right now they are better than Berry
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htismaqe 02:20 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by OKchiefs:
Why not? It should be his contractual obligation to make sure his body is ready to perform. As far as I'm concerned the team should be able to sue him for breach of contract and void the remaining years. I know that will never happen because of the PR hit, but Berry clearly has not lived up to his end of the deal.
It will never happen because there's no grounds for litigation. Breach of contract? LOL
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threebag 02:22 PM 12-11-2018
Hopefully Andy can pull a rabbit out of his hat and Berry will play but I just don’t feel it


When he does it will be two plays and then a limp
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loochy 02:24 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by Marcellus:
I'm done having conversation with you ****ing dumbasses. You are seriously ****ing stupid.
No you're not. You're the yin to Glory Dayz's yang. You're here for the long haul and you'll continue to stay and argue for as long as Berry is out (which will surely be for the rest of the season).
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OKchiefs 02:26 PM 12-11-2018
Originally Posted by htismaqe:
It will never happen because there's no grounds for litigation. Breach of contract? LOL
You're telling me there's no contract language regarding responsibilities of both parties? There's always talk of contract language saying athletes can't engage in certain activities such as extreme sports, is it really that farfetched to think there could be contract language regarding the responsibility of the player to make sure his body is able and ready to perform? Plus, I would argue the current Haglund Deformity is a non-football injury that developed off the field and he should be a candidate to be put on the NFI list.
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chiefzilla1501 02:27 PM 12-11-2018
I think berry will get reps. Just a feeling. Limited though.

If there's ever a week to bring him back, get him a little work then give him a long break.

The Chiefs brass just seems a little less on the "no" side than we're used to. Id bet they're planning for KB and Berry to be wrinkles SD can't possibly plan for.
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