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Nzoner's Game Room>***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***
JakeF 10:28 PM 02-26-2020
A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana:
Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.
Originally Posted by Dartgod:
People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

Click here for the original OP:

Spoiler!

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DaFace 10:47 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
I think the confusion on your end is, the right for you Grand Parents and loved ones to feel safe does not mean more than my constitutional rights.

"If it saves one life, its worth it" is a logical fallacy.

No you "Right" to feel safe doesn't mean anything to me. That being said I can be empathetic and take precautions to make sure I don't do anything that could hurt them
I'm confused why you think this is about "feeling safe" vs. "being safe." I'm not worried about my grandpa feeling anxious. I'm worried about people like you getting sick, going to the store, infecting my grandma, and killing my grandpa.
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SAUTO 10:48 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I don't know their situation, but I think people who are in the top 10% of longevity sometimes feel guilty about it. My grandparents are basically the last of their group of friends and siblings alive. While they still clearly enjoy living, I certainly don't think that they're scared of death at this point.
thats exactly how this couple is. they are ready if it comes and want to go together. they've been married since they were 17.


but they are scared to death about us.

crazy
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BleedingRed 10:49 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I'm confused why you think this is about "feeling safe" vs. "being safe." I'm not worried about my grandpa feeling anxious. I'm worried about people like you getting sick, going to the store, infecting my grandma, and killing my grandpa.
Actually when you grand parent goes out into public he ASSUMES the risk REGARDLESS.

There are other options than him going out. Again, I can take precautions to limit what I could spread.

But you Grandparents right to exist shouldn't dictate how I live my life.
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Mecca 10:49 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
I'm confused why you think this is about "feeling safe" vs. "being safe." I'm not worried about my grandpa feeling anxious. I'm worried about people like you getting sick, going to the store, infecting my grandma, and killing my grandpa.
There really isn't any feeling there....it's a good catch phrase to use to basically say we're locked down cause people are pussies when in reality it doesn't make sense.
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SAUTO 10:50 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by IowaHawkeyeChief:
Deaths by age group in Sweden:

88% over age 70
65% over age 80
25% over age 90

12% under age 70
5% under than 60
1.5% under than age 50
0.7% under age 40
0.2% under age 30
0.07% under age 20
0.03% under age 10


https://www.statista.com/statistics/...by-age-groups/
here's mo. for comparison
Under 20 0
20-29 1
30-39 3
40-49 7
50-59 28
60-69 72
70-79 88
80+ 153
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DaFace 10:51 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
Actually when you grand parent goes out into public he ASSUMES the risk REGARDLESS.

There are other options than him going out. Again, I can take precautions to limit what I could spread.

But you Grandparents right to exist shouldn't dictate how I live my life.
So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.
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kgrund 10:51 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by petegz28:
I literally just posted a CNBC article stating that is not always the case. But whatever.
No question that their could be exceptions. However, it is the overwhelming majority. I have been auditing financial institutions for almost 30 years. I have a pretty good handle on what I am talking about.
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dirk digler 10:51 AM 05-04-2020
Welp the CDC is now projecting 3k deaths daily now that states are re-opening. We are going to hit 100K very shortly.

Originally Posted by :
The Times obtained an internal Centers for Disease Control document providing detailed projections on the progression of the COVID-19 pandemic around the country.

The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1, and that deaths will reach around 3,000 per day by the same date.

There are currently around 25,000 new cases each day in the United States, and around 2,000 deaths each day.

The CDC gathered the data and built the models on which the projections are based, the Times reported, while the Federal Emergency Management Agency created the charts.

The report also suggests that infection rates will increase more in rural America over the coming months. The document names “the Great Lakes region, parts of the Southeast, Northeast, and around southern California” as potential new hotspots, while Louisiana and New York City remain on a downwards trajectory in the federal government’s modeling.

“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the report says.

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Mecca 10:51 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.
He doesn't really care, all he cares is about what he's doing....this ties back to what I said about being spoiled as a nation.
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Mecca 10:52 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
Welp the CDC is now projecting 3k deaths daily now that states are re-opening. We are going to hit 100K very shortly.
Considering I was just reading that Parsons said Missouri can resume concerts and they have no gathering guidelines, we'll be the epicenter of shitshow.
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BleedingRed 10:52 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by DaFace:
So how would you propose that my grandparents obtain food? They're in a small town, so delivery and pickup aren't options.
I suggest if you are so worried you provide their food or arrange for it to be provided for them.

You can't care to a certain point, and CONTROLLING others to protect your loved ones is not what the USA is all about.
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Donger 10:53 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by dirk digler:
The document says that new cases will grow to a rate of around 225,000 per day by June 1
That sounds really high.
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Donger 10:54 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
I suggest if you are so worried you provide their food or arrange for it to be provided for them.

You can't care to a certain point, and CONTROLLING others to protect your loved ones is not what the USA is all about.
Oh? What do you think the USA is all about?
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DaFace 10:54 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by BleedingRed:
I suggest if you are so worried you provide their food or arrange for it to be provided for them.

You can't care to a certain point and CONTROLLING others to protect you loved ones is not what the USA is all about.
That's not a solution. That's telling someone else to solve it.

So again, what's your SOLUTION. What, exactly, would you propose that I do to get them groceries?
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BleedingRed 10:55 AM 05-04-2020
Originally Posted by Donger:
That sounds really high.
Well considering the growth rate world wide, I would think we are already way beyond that number. I think Serology tests need to be priority.
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