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Nzoner's Game Room>*** Official 2017 Royals Repository ***
Chiefspants 10:55 AM 04-05-2017
Chiefsplanet’s (Proposed) 2017 Season Title: One Last Ride

Midish-Season Update (Royals 51-47, 2nd Wild Card, 1.5 GB of ALC):

We're halfway through 2017, and fittingly to the Chiefsplanet's 2017 Season Title, the Royals are all-in on what will likely be one final run with the current core. While many are worried the Royals will take a 2004 style tumble after this year, the farm system is hardly the barren wasteland it was during the Baird years. To see what's in the pipeline and what we have to look forward to, check out this exceptional list and analysis that Duncan put together of our system.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...htmlview#gid=0

While I had the honor of starting this thread this year, Duncan will always have a VIP pass to this OP, and can add more content at any time.

2017's Burning Questions Revisited:

1. What is the threshold between being “buyers” and “sellers” at the deadline?

We're buyers, baby.

In April, I argued that it would be a wise strategy for us to sell if we were 5 GB or worse, but that Dayton would likely add supplemental pieces for us to load up for another run if we were 1-2 GB. On July 24th, the Royals found themselves in sole possession of the 2nd wild card spot and 1.5 games back of the division. In April I said the Royals might pull the trigger on someone like Alex Cobb and resign Luke Hochevar, but since the Rays are also buyers and Luke's shoulder hasn't rebounded, this prediction hasn't come to fruition. Luckily, Dayton Moore again proved much more adept and creative than me by adding Trevor Cahill (good call, Duncan), Brandon Maurer and Ryan Buchter in a single trade. Giving us a solid starter to compete in 2017, and two relievers whom we will control through 2019 and 2021, respectively, keeping Moore's new vision through 2019-2020 intact. Moore has hinted that the Royals will continue to pursue the right deals if they're there, so the fun may not be over just yet. While we may not have the bullets to pull in a "star" like Cueto or Zo, Moore's adeptness may yet again net us what we need for another run in October.

2. Can Gordo and Moose bounce back to 2015 levels?

In April I asked if Gordo could at least set the table at a 265/325/425 clip and if Moose could deliver damage around a 265/335/500 clip for an entire year. This season Mr. Moustakas has been the prospect that was promised, delivering at a 277/307/568 clip as of this update. Gordo, on the other hand, has put up an unbelievably abysmal line thus far. But, if there is a silver lining, it's that Gordo has performed at a 246/311/432 line since June 1st, and if he can continue to perform near that mark, he will be more than a valuable asset at the bottom of the lineup while he continues to provide the best LF defense in the league.

3. Can Ned Yost manage a bullpen?

In April, I felt that despite the poor start, Royals bullpen would ultimately be "solid" this year, but the question was whether "solid" was good enough for Ned. I argued that the Royals needed Soria to bounce back and that Ned would need to start being strategic in his L/L and R/R matchups. While Ned has still made at times baffling and frustrating decisions with his starters (such as allowing Travis Wood to try to "get the win" and still insisting on sending Hammel out for the 6th, he's mostly done a good job).

MASH: Minor/Moylan - Alexander - Soria - Herrera (Credit to C3HIEF3S for the origins of the phrase) have cemented into reliable pieces, and now that Herrera is showing signs of stabilizing, our dumping of Wood, our call up Flynn, and the acquisition of Buchter and Maurer, the Royals have the potential to enter October with one of the best and deepest bullpens in the postseason.

4. Will the Royals find a boost from an unexpected X-Factor to lift them to contention?

Cool-Whit, Boni, Mike ****ing Minor, and Alexander have come up huge thus far. Cool Whit is, incredibly, is second on the team in WAR and has more than replaced Zo's presence on the team. They, like the X-Factors on the 2014-2015 teams, have been critical cogs as we've raced back to contention, while Cool-Whit and Boni also have provided a rosier outlook for this team's future. It's worth noting that Salvador Perez and Jason Vargas has been beasts on offense and the mound (along with Sal providing his customary defensive excellence), but I am still a bit wary of Salvy's annual Yost assisted offensive drought as the team moves into August, along with Vargy regressing to his averages.

5. Can Jorge Soler and Brandon Moss be productive contributors in Kauffman’s dimensions?

Ouch, no, but the Royals shift to power-hitting in the juiced ball era looks like one that will pay off. Thankfully, Moss is showing signs of entering his seasonal hot streak where he becomes corn-fed Jesus for a month, and we'll need him hot to keep up with Cleveland down the stretch. While Jorge has been painful to watch in the majors, his scorching performance in AAA should give one a bright hope for the future. While some may disagree, I offer Moose, Hos, Gordo, and Duffy's struggles as exhibit A for why it is far too early to give up on Soler's potential.

Bonus Question - Is Raul Mondesi truly ready to be an everyday player?

Ha! Not even close. However, like Soler, his progress in AAA is incredibly encouraging. With ceilings like Lindor and floors being Esky being thrown out there, it's hard not to be excited about his future.

The Picture Forward

There are many reasons to be excited, and not only for 2017. The Royals emergence of Cool Whit, Bonifacio, and Scott Alexander, and the fact that we have pieces like Salvador Perez, Danny Duffy, Kelvin Herrera, Jorge Soler, Ryan Buchter, Brandon Maurer Cheslor Cuthbert, and Raul Mondesi until at least 2019 should leave one feeling pretty optimistic. Re-up Moose or Hos (and heck, re-sign Dyson while we're at it), and suddenly this team looks very much like one that could compete for the indefinite future.

The Royals are all in again, buckle in and enjoy the ride.

April OP:

Spoiler!

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jd1020 01:06 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Update on Max:

Max gave up a double in the 8th to break up the no hitter. Despite already thrown 113 pitches, Dusty Baker decided to go vintage Dusty and leave him in the game. The Nats promptly loaded the bases, and Baker still opted to leave Max in against Giancarlo Stanton for the 4th time today. Max promptly threw a wild pitch (on pitch 120), to tie the game, and Stanton singled in the go-ahead run to put the Marlins up 2-1.
I'd leave Max in too. Have you paid any attention to the Nationals BP? I'm guessing no.
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Chiefspants 01:11 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by jd1020:
I'd leave Max in too. Have you paid any attention to the Nationals BP? I'm guessing no.
Coincidentally, my fleeting hope of sending Herrera to the Nats has made me follow their bullpen pretty closely. I would have taken my chances with Albers or Romero once Max loaded the bases. He looked shot, and you of all people should know Baker's history of running his star starting pitchers into the ground. Competitive managers need to manage with October in mind, and Baker has always struggled with this concept.
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jd1020 01:28 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by Chiefspants:
Coincidentally, my fleeting hope of sending Herrera to the Nats has made me follow their bullpen pretty closely. I would have taken my chances with Albers or Romero once Max loaded the bases. He looked shot, and you of all people should know Baker's history of running his star starting pitchers into the ground. Competitive managers need to manage with October in mind, and Baker has always struggled with this concept.
I wasn't defending Baker. I'm just pointing out that the Nationals have the 29th ranked BP in terms of ERA in MLB in a 1 run game.
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Chiefspants 01:30 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by jd1020:
I wasn't defending Baker. I'm just pointing out that the Nationals have the 29th ranked BP in terms of ERA in MLB in a 1 run game.
Gotcha, I empathize with his situation, but watching him overwork Pryor, Wood and arguably alter the trajectory of Edinson Volquez's career has made me cringe at his tendency to leave in his starters.

Max has now thrown 115+ in back to back starts, thrown over 100 pitches in every start but two and has thrown 110+ five times this year. Perhaps Max's arm can take it, but I'd be cringing if Yost gave Duffy a similar workload.
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SBInfinity 04:59 PM 06-21-2017

#HEYHEYHEYHEY pic.twitter.com/h42sjkvDbA

— #VoteHos (@Royals) June 21, 2017


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BWillie 05:40 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by C3HIEF3S:
That'd be a great line of thinking 10 years ago.

ERA is a team statistic largely dependent on the defense behind the pitcher. In 2015 Corey Kluber was one of the top 3 most valuable arms in the AL with an ERA of 3.49, because the defense behind him was the worst in the game.

Love Vargas, but there's no debate on who the starting pitcher for the AL is going to be.
Yeah, you are right. We should give the defensive player of the year award to the guy who ALMOST had the most amount of sacks. But you know, didn't.
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Chiefspants 05:58 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Yeah, you are right. We should give the defensive player of the year award to the guy who ALMOST had the most amount of sacks. But you know, didn't.
Actually, a better comparison would if the NFL gave Alex Smith (3,200 Yards, 17 TD, 7 INT) the Offensive Player of the Year in 2017 over Tom Brady (4,800 Yards, 35 TD, 10 INT) because Alex had more regular season wins.
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WilliamTheIrish 06:14 PM 06-21-2017
What a great time today. It was suny and hot and that GS was just so damn clutch. Got my first W of the season.
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Why Not? 08:09 PM 06-21-2017
Oriole's just had the bases loaded in the 7th, no outs. And they got nothing. The only reason I don't mind is that it's so fun when the Oriole's and their stupid fan base suck.
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suzzer99 09:28 PM 06-21-2017
Be sure to tweet LaConfora about it.
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mr. tegu 09:59 PM 06-21-2017
Cleveland has one more with Baltimore and the weekend series against Minnesota. They might not lose for a while.
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penbrook 10:06 PM 06-21-2017
Dyson breaks up Verlander perfect game with a bunt single!!
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Why Not? 10:18 PM 06-21-2017
Originally Posted by suzzer99:
Be sure to tweet LaConfora about it.
Hahahaaha.
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tk13 12:03 AM 06-22-2017
The longer this season goes on, the more Manfred is going to hear it about the baseballs. According to this Passan article, MLB is on pace to break the record for HRs in a season by about 500 homers.

https://sports.yahoo.com/rob-manfred...041414089.html

An outtake from the interview with Rob Manfred on PEDs causing HR spike. As with juiced balls, he doesn't see compelling evidence in favor. pic.twitter.com/4meO8O3op4

— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) June 22, 2017


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Lex Luthor 12:24 AM 06-22-2017
Originally Posted by BWillie:
Huh? Whoever has the lowest ERA should start. The end.
Why? You don't apply a hard and fast statistical rule to any other position.
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